Turkish-Cypriot Leader Demands Recognition for Occupied Side

https://www.thenationalherald.com/cyprus_politics/arthro/cyprus_rejects_un_idea_for_self_governed_regions_on_island-2790544/ 

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Whether Mr. Tatar will agree to anything the "Greeks" may want is one question. Another is what his own constituency wants, where only half are "Cypriot Turks", the other half are Turkish Cypriot.

...this may become very apparent this summer if he and Mr. Erdogan go too far; Cypriots, the People, may have "picnics" too.

The opportunity is there for Mr. Tatar to have his two states, equal Cypriot Constituencies, but under one State, another level of government where Cypriots, not as Persons, but as Individuals defend their Freedom, rather than their Liberty.

If he cares to leave a Legacy bigger than the Cyprus Problem itself he can, by uniting Cypriots, giving Hope to the Turkish People themselves, with what "Turkishness" is doing to Turkey now, and what it is doing to Cyprus decades already; they too, seek Constitutional reform divided as they are: in effect as a State and as its Nations a BBF is most inviting.

...as it is Mr. Tatar's "self-governing region" is not a self-sustaining entity, nor is it independent; it is a misnomer.

US Diplomat Tilts Toward Turkish-Cypriots, Draws Cypriot Fire

 https://www.thenationalherald.com/cyprus_politics/arthro/us_diplomat_tilts_toward_turkish_cypriots_draws_cypriot_fire-2784232/

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Madame Lutte has certainly started a ball rolling. My hope is that she remembers who needs her help the most. Not the "Greeks" not the "Turks", but the other half, who like the rest of us defend the Universal Principals that make us Human beings; this is, the Problem.

Cypriots, unlike "them" do not have a dogma from which "others" are excluded. In fact Cypriots, for the most part were "their" victims when it came to murder and the disappearances; something to remember. Cypriots have waited patiently, silenced as it is, while their Leadership have negotiated for decades a settlement where there is a Greek side and a Turkish side, in the debate. And now Cypriots face the existential question, of Cypriots no more.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...this much we know so far.

Indeed, Cyprus has a government where, as Individuals, they represent themselves as Cypriots. As Persons it is clear that Turkish Cypriots want in their daily lives, to nurture their distinct identity. Seeking equality, this demand has not been realised, given that they represent a minority, population-wise. And yet, i too have asked, where is a Greek Constituency, (and others), an equal in that regard, as Persons, at another level of government among Cypriot Constituencies?

Let us remember that Mr. Erdogan is on a tight schedule; Turkey's Centennial is but two years away. The Problem, if it had a solution in Cyprus, would open an opportunity in Turkey herself toward resolving her own Problem with the need for Constitutional reform, (a BBF), something to emulate in esteem. This too is something to think about.

...and what has "the Problem" become, with the Treaty of Lausanne tossed out the window, expanding to Libya, the Aegean, Azerbaijan, Syria and Iraq? What is Erdogan doing in his disruptions with all his neighbours, but placing himself in a position of strength from which to seize power, if not from negotiation, force; for "Turkishness", or for Turkey.

Cooler heads must prevail, and let's not forget, "Cyprus" is the root of it; who it "belongs" to. "Turks"? "Greeks"?

And who must represent Cypriots, but Madame Lutte? Having kicked the ball, one hopes that she will make herself clearer, who she is playing for. She may focus her attention on Mr. Tatar who in her generosity has most to gain. Two (or more) states, is not impossible, under one State. Intentions count.

They cede dominance to the Turkish Cypriots - Gifts for "beautification" of Ankara

 https://www.philenews.com/eidiseis/politiki/article/1227185/ekchoroyn-kyriarchia-stoys-t-k-dora-ga-kalopiasma-aggyras

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The Problem as we see it in Cyprus, is not Cyprus' alone. Turkey is the best example. Now, also torn in two by "Turkishness", its People have also suffered from the diminution of their identity as Individuals.

Such as it is, the Citizens of Turkey, like Cyprus, should welcome a BBF in their Constitutional reform because they are as people both, Persons and Individuals.

It is not hard to imagine, Turkey or Cyprus as a State, defending Universal Principals, which represents the will of its voters equally, and under the Law, without further discrimination or distinction. And at another level of Government, Constituencies representing a majority, as Persons, nurturing their distinct identity, mindful of the minorities that live among them by providing for their special needs as well.

...intentions count. Two Cypriot Constituencies is possible (maybe there should be more).

America comes to mind, so too Canada, where such a system of governance has proved most successful. Both a Nation among nations, a State among states.

Let us recall who did the killings, and who for the most part were their victims. Cypriots (like Turks) pay a heavy price for "being" not "Turkish" or "Greek", being more than that, as Human beings. Let us also recall that despite the decades of assimilation and being torn apart, never less than half the population, any way it is counted, vote for Cyprus as Cypriots, while "Greeks" and "Turks" are also fielding candidates. Cypriots do exist, and they are not few.

...indeed, if Erdogan continues with his "picnics" he may find that the leadership in Cyprus will act as it is expected to, but, Cypriots, faced with this existential question, may have their own picnics too. Indeed, i ask, who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag? Who would be exposed if under that Flag peacefully, Cypriots made souvla on the beach?

This summer, it seems, will be a hot one, politically speaking.

Varosha now a macabre museum

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/06/27/varosha-now-a-macabre-museum/

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Varosha is still alive, it is not yet a macabre museum, though as a prisoner and a hostage treated most cruelly.

...i am hopeful that "picnics", if they become an issue again, will not be "Turkish", or at least if in reaction, they will be Cypriot too. Cypriots, Greek and Turkish may rally, under their Flag, over such a worthy cause; demonstrated respect and trust toward each other, as Cypriots, the return of this city to those who are (and were) its loving stewards.

While the "Turks" may assume that those not them, as adversaries are "Greek", they are mistaken; "Greeks" like "Turks" only represent about half the population of this island: the People (generally speaking) are not "them".

Indeed Varosha is an issue where Cypriots may expose the "Greeks" and "Turks" for what "they" are, not Cypriot.

...this summer, (free of COVID), may be a hot one politically speaking.

Our View: For how long will the UN engage in pointless talks?

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/06/24/our-view-for-how-long-will-the-un-engage-in-pointless-talks/#comment-5431876420 

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...pointless?

When did the Problem become a problem, now "pointless"?

What is the Problem, which as a symptom appears in Cyprus so boldly?

...i ask, what is "Turkishness" in all of this, no better than the "Greekness" that is its contemporary.

...let us recall that despite "their" mythic reality now over decades, Cypriots remain; and they represent about half of the voting population. Pointless? Universal Principals and this notion of a Humanity, are they pointless too?

This is the Problem. And if our leadership in Cyprus ignore this problem, it is the People, Cypriots, who will defend and represent themselves, against this/their existential threat.

Our View: No matter how odious, Elam had legitimate claim to committee chair

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/06/19/our-view-no-matter-how-odious-elam-had-legitimate-claim-to-committee-chair/ 

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...so, by being put in charge of an ad hoc committee on demographics, it is natural to expect results. It may be that they will find a different Cyprus to what they imagine now. They, and we, may begin to appreciate the differences in ourselves, as Individuals, and as Person. Cyprus, the State, in such terms is valuable, to all of us, because it offers to its Citizens, not just its values and integrity, but, Cypriot Constituencies, as a BBF; where they may have through their taxes a closer hand in their daily lives.

...indeed, where/what is the Greek Constituency? More importantly (in any Constituency), what about minorities?

Re: The US Election Thread: Trump Lives Matter

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47496-2690.html#p908156

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..Trump will be with us for decades, perhaps long after he is dead; America is a litigious country, what is Justice seen will likely leave him, and his legacy, empty and pant-less.

If the elites of the Republican Party continue to demonstrate their support for him, they too will find elections "rigged" against them; the People will speak (again) in overwhelming numbers.

...let's not forget that America is a BBF, and being bicommunal, they may be "Democrat" or "Republican" as Persons, but above-all they are Americans as Individuals.

After crossings agreement, Anastasiades ready to meet Tatar on CBMs (Updated)

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/06/03/after-crossings-agreement-anastasiades-ready-to-meet-tatar-on-cbms/

...if it is not the Leadership that brings confidence, it is/will be the People.

Indeed, we can talk about Cyprus; the lives of Cypriots, and how the anxiety they feel for "being" Persons can be lessened, because despite their distinct identities, (being Cypriots,) they are Individuals too.

"Cypriot" is not a dirty word. (While "Greek" and "Turk" may be tarnished.)

...such as it is it remains a myth, that compared to "Greekness" or "Turkishness", Cypriots are few. They too may demonstrate their will for change, (soon), openly and publicly: if "Cypriotness" becomes an existential question of Cypriots no more.

Except for their denial, (that such a "being" already exists,) those "Greek" and "Turkish" have not been very successful in their efforts at usurping this identity, in establishing their own.

Yet still, as a People (in exposing "them" standing together), as Cypriots, nothing should prevent people from acting as Cypriots, that as a result in a wider sense, in doing so, we may bring hope to those in Turkey who by their nature are taken as "others"; torn apart for the same reasons (and corruption): let's not forget that Turkey too seeks to modernise with its own Constitutional reform. Is this not the Problem?

...(and i ask you to remember that after decades of assimilation, divided as they are, Cypriots as voters continue to represent anyway it is counted at least half the population of this island.)

One hopes that Mr. Tatar sees the advantages of making "Cyprus" the destination of tourists and business people alike. Welcoming to the world on terms which are Universal, which as Human beings, as Cypriots, we demonstrate and defend; a welcoming People in our diversity: tolerant, trusting, honest and reasoned.

 

Rise of far right justifies two-state solution, Tatar says

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/05/31/rise-of-far-right-justifies-two-state-solution-tatar-says/

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...indeed, looking at these elections rationally, it is clear that at least half the population, are not "Greeks". They are Cypriots, who as Persons are Greek. ...and what are "They" in their zeal for "Turkishness", railing against the rise of "Greekness"? Equals, as opposites, they are the same.

John Aziz Kent reply to Lord Sharkey on UK Hansard report re Cyprus

https://cyprusscene.com/2021/05/23/john-aziz-kent-reply-to-lord-sharkey-on-uk-hansard-report-re-cyprus/

 ..i am waiting for the day where Turkish Cypriots take the vanguard against the "Turkishness" which has as a dogma done as much harm as "Greekness" to their identity.

...Cypriots, if you are old enough to remember are a loving people. 

Yet, despite the notion that they are few, as voters they represent about half the voting public any way it is counted. Something to think about; that Cypriots exist over decades, despite the "Cypriot Turks" and "Greeks" amongst them. And that standing united as Cypriots, "their" corruption is exposed.

...two states in Cyprus can exist, and they, as the People, can be one.

What is Cypriot? Such as it is, what is Turkish? It too, as a State, needs Constitutional reform, and has its Constituencies. Turkey, like Cyprus, is neither "Turkish" or "Greek". 

...also something to think about: that the Flag of Cyprus, and the Flag of Turkey, (like the Flag of Britain or Greece) should represent the same values; being/"being" Human beings. 

Freedom is not the same as Liberty, let's remember. In a BBF Individual Freedom, and Personal Liberty are both defined. As a People, in Cyprus, Cypriots know this; only "Greeks" and "Turks" resist. 

 ...indeed, "picnics" come to mind, a good souvla on the beach, this summer; something Cypriots do best. 

Erdogan to visit north on July 20

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/05/17/erdogan-to-visits-north-on-july-20/ 

One Hopes that Erdogan's Turkey "will defend the Turkish Cypriots’ rights to the end", as he says.

...and what of the "Cypriot Turks" who are so dependent on him for their own existence?

Turks and Greeks have only to stand as one, the People, in Cyprus, to give him Hope.

...what is the Problem? "Greekness" or, "Turkishness"? They are the same. Such as it is, today, "Greekness" has been defeated, while Turkey has never been more divided, because such dogmas exclude those who are not "them". Erdogan knows this, and he may choose again to board the train he calls "Democracy"; a BBF in Turkey is not anathema to a Caliphate existing in Istanbul. He knows this too.

...while the political elite in Cyprus continue to defend themselves (personally), it seems more a malaise affecting this class of people around the world. But i am hopeful. Such a man as Erdogan may choose, and with a small change in intentions he may find the tarnish staining Turkey's presence removed. In effect, Turkey cannot be "Turkish", just like Cyprus cannot be "Greek"; they are States, based on Universal Principals which defend our Individual Equality. Such as it is he has two years to make this kind of History, in time for Turkey's Centennial.

...indeed, at another level of government, as Constituencies, both countries would be better off having them.

The question remains, will Cypriots have "Picnics" (before his arrival), i hope so; will Erdogan (again)?

‘Satisfied’ with Geneva, so now what?

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/05/16/satisfied-with-geneva-so-now-what/

Enosis. It is about time for Cypriots to identify themselves as Cypriots. A way of life that is natural to them. Such a word, today may be taken back by Cypriots, to mean the union of Cypriots, and for the Universal Principals that define us as Human beings, united, equals with the same responsibilities and benefits.

Whether Turkish or Greek, Cypriots represent about half the population, let's not forget. "Greeks" and "Turks" have dismissed this fact for decades in their attempt to usurp this Identity, claiming they are few, so few they don't exist politically speaking. I ask, how many are they, who treat this Flag, the People's, Cypriots', as a rag?

...and who would resist a movement or a demonstration of "Cypriotness"; who would they expose?

Such as it is, soon i imagine, Cypriots will have to stand up for who they are, because the question is an existential one, not a question of values. "Being" a Person is important (Liberty); but, would you give up your Individual Identity (Freedom), for "it"? And what is wrong with a BBF? Canada is a BBF, so too the USA; intentions count.

We can reflect on "Greekness"; defeated as it was then, by Greek Cypriots who overwhelmingly denied their support for the coup. Cypriots may see in "Turkishness" a way of life which is actually no different. Certainly, both have demonstrated that as dogmas, "they" have no respect (or trust) in "others"; that they are the Problem.

...let's not forget what "Turkishness" is doing to the Turkish People in Turkey, now; what a powerful message "Enosis" in Cyprus of Cypriots could mean, to those it oppresses there.

...i imagine "picnics" soon, i imagine we will see a lot more of the Flag of Cyprus, this summer.

Little ground for optimism at the informal five-party conference due to Turkish stance, Dendias says

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/25/little-ground-for-optimism-at-the-informal-five-party-conference-due-to-turkish-stance-dendias-says/

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...we can hope that cooler heads will prevail.

Cyprus can be a unified State, where Cypriots are equal, without further distinction or discrimination, Individuals, and as Persons with their distinct Identities demonstrate as majorities goodwill to the minorities living among them.

...i ask, what is the USA, or Canada, as examples, what is the EU for that matter, but a BBF?

And what of Turkey, now, torn by "Turkishness", its People divided more than ever, they need from Cypriots something to emulate, too. One Flag in Cyprus, like One Flag in Turkey, is not so hard to understand in that regard.

..."motherland", it's what makes "Greeks" and "Cypriot Turks" no different; Turkish Cypriots have a lot to think about.

The Two-State Solution Platform for Cyprus

 https://cyprusscene.com/2021/04/26/the-two-state-solution-platform-for-cyprus/

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...indeed, i ask, where is the Greek Constituency, an equal to the Turkish Constituency, equal in fulfilling the same needs. Such as it is, in Cyprus, the Problem, in that it is made up of Constituencies, needs us as Individuals to respect and trust each other as Persons. (What is a BBF?)

...i suggest that a Constitution reformed, for, and as, Cypriots is natural. I am also suggesting that "Turkishness", like "Greekness", may go too far in their zeal, dismissing those "being" Cypriots as a population that is very small. Despite the decades of History, (still), Cypriots represent about half the population any way it is counted. Cypriots having "picnics", for me at least are not hard to imagine.

...two states at another level of Government is entirely possible, in a Cyprus, where Cypriots are Sovereign, as a State (having Citizenship and an equal vote) defending Universal Principals, as Individuals, one as a People, without the need for further distinction or discrimination.

...Three (or more) Governing Bodies; Two levels of Government; to "be" an Individual, and a Person. 

...what of Turkey? And in its own Constitutional Reform, respect and trust among themselves as a People, as Individuals, as Persons with their own distinct identities united in providing toward the minorities that live among them the same recognition and Goodwill.

Cypriots, especially Turkish Cypriots, have a lot to think about.

Anastasiades: Turkey has reconfirmed its intransigent stance on Cyprus (Updated)

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/16/anastasiades-turkey-has-reconfirmed-its-intransigent-stance-on-cyprus/

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...no need to despair, there is still something to talk about; and it being an informal discussion, talk most useful.

I ask: what of Cypriot Constituencies? What with our desire for Freedom as Individuals and our Liberty as Persons, it would seem to me that it should be easy to discern the needs of each, as Persons, that are the same.

Indeed, in Cyprus, such a Constituency for Turkish Cypriots is a start. Why not a Greek Constituency; its equal? Certainly having the numbers, (and having the same needs as Arabic Cypriots, Armenian, and Latins), such National Assemblies, (at this level of Government), offer the possibility of sustaining these distinct identities through self-representation, and as such, also as a capacity demonstrating toward their minorities the same Goodwill; (being Cypriots to start with).

The Republic of Cyprus exists. There is no need to talk about that. But within, its Constitutional Reform is needed.

I would say to Mr. Cavusoglu, that Turkey needs this reform (a BBF) far more than Cyprus. Let us recall that what has for decades torn Cyprus in two, "Turkishness", is now tearing at Turkey herself. Let us also recall that the BBF, originally, was a Turkish demand which the Republic is (still) willing to consider as a good compromise; tearing the island in two, like the baby in Solomon's example is not a solution because it is a living thing. So too in Turkey. They, are a People: not a dogma some follow excluding the rest as "others". What makes "Greekness" any different to "Turkishness" therefore? A BBF in Turkey, in effect, is not that hard to imagine.

What is a State, i'd ask. What are Nations?
...indeed, what of Turkish Constituencies?

Two years till Turkey's Centennial, and so much more has been linked to the Problem. We may be surprised that it is Erdogan that solves it in time, removing the tarnish on Turkey's shine to much International esteem. Hence, a Legacy of Fame, not infamy awaits. But it starts here, at its root in Cyprus, with a small change in intentions.

"Nothing to talk about", is fluff for anxious readers back home. I am hopeful.

Re: Turkey is bankrupt

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47377-200.html#p906627

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...which 100 billion or so are we talking about Lordo?

Such a question is not new in Turkey.

I bet there is even a shoe box of all these stories of shoe boxes stuffed in it.

Erdogan does not plan on bringing "it" down, by leaving in its destruction nothing, "everyone" is making money (so is he); he wants greater influence. "Death to America", he might say, one day, it's true, and there are many who would join in, at his call. It may seem an easy way to cancel debt, and to return to what seems normal in such societies, brutal force, (and at war), a dogma but little in the way of Rule by Law.

I see the other side of Erdogan, it is entirely possible for him to gather the interlocutors together at the time of his choosing, (now or soon,) given how he is involved in every disruption around Turkey. (I am hopeful, because it will not be hard, to change his intentions again.) Getting on the Democracy train, recognising Cypriots as Cypriots, that the Republic exists, (needing reform). Who does he betray, but, those who call themselves "Cypriot Turks" for him? Peace with Greece, perhaps Peace in Syria, (Iran), and Iraq, Peace with Armenia, Peace in Libya and with Egypt, Peace with the EU, Peace both Russia and the US can agree to, are all possible Legacies in doing so.

And for Turkey, i will add, a BBF in Cyprus, such as it is, the Problem, solved, is something (in their own Constitutional Reform) for Turkey to emulate.

...my question is, can it be done for Turkey's Centennial?

Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus46325-360.html#p906560

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"Nationalism", Lordo, is a living thing. It is even fluid in its meaning. It is a part of our existence as social animals, and as Humans. Denial does not defeat "it", as it is seen in its use by murderers, plunderers and thieves. Justice must be seen. That is why such Heroes who fought against such vile thinking, "Greekness" and "Turkishness", in Cyprus should be revered.

...and if we (the living) listen to the families of the disappeared, Turkish and Greek, a monument will be built to list their names together, also as fallen Heroes, and as Cypriots. (such is Nationalism)

Yes Lordo, i agree, it is from the People, that changes are made. Existentially, i ask, have we arrived at that point, where Cypriots will gather, with or without their Leadership, for such a State, where Cypriots defend each other?

..."they", remember Lordo, were never busy killing each other; they were busy killing "us".

And in a world that is dialectic, i suggest in Cyprus, split as it is in terms of its "Nationalism" right now, "Cypriotness" is its opposite.

Petition launches to support reunification

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/04/06/petition-launches-to-support-reunification/

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...such an organisation is at its advent. One hopes that among its leadership soon, Turkish Cypriots too.

This summer, free from Covid, "picnics" will be possible. Cypriots may join together, making souvla on their beaches, and, under the one Flag rightfully theirs, (the one the "others" (those "Greek" and "Turkish") treat as a rag,) peacefully.

...for at least half the voting public, (any way you count it,) it is not hard for them to imagine something like this; something to think about.

I am encouraged by such action, that people are taking the Problem in their own hands: as Cypriots.

..."Greekness" may have been defeated, with their "successful" coup that brought them down in '74.

..."Turkishness" presents the same existential threat, today, to Cypriots, (and Turkey).

Both dogmas have demonstrated their failings, toward Cypriots, this is clear.

Cypriots may reconsider their position in such a debate, as it is between "them", which has left Cypriots silenced for so long, as though, what a Cypriot "is", is non-existent until "they" decide what it is.

...yet, the People seeking change (from "this") grows.

Cyprus to mark 66th anniversary of Eoka struggle against British rule

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/03/31/cyprus-to-mark-66th-anniversary-of-eoka-struggle-against-british-rule/

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...wish i could agree with you guys, it seems he became the person you remember.

What started, according to his brother, in a radio shack at the airport, were reactions we can imagine from anyone shot at, by British troops in an undisciplined fashion, that it disturbed him. Ignored, by the very institution he admired the most, the British Army, (which to him represented, order,) he became a Hero to those, from it, who had the same fear.

Indeed, GLADIO, existed quite actively then. Anti-"communist", the representative of a bigger Occidental world he was a part of and dreams he felt were incomplete with Independence, it was not hard to recruit him, i imagine, he became a part of "them", not EOKA but EOKAB, (and in affect, not Cypriot).

He is indeed a hero, what he was willing to commit to, on Principal, and against a power ruling the world. And such an irony. sadly, with what he became, given Che and Castro's praise for him, as their inspiration, against the same fear they experienced themselves.

Like Denkltash, someone else, an odd hero; why after so long, did he, open the gates, i ask. To their dying days they both professed a dying love to the notions tearing us apart: "Greekness" and "Turkishness". Like anything in Cyprus that should be simple, it is complicated; given that these "games" are being played on a bigger field by bigger players.

...such as it is, our "being" as Individuals is being usurped by our being Persons as well.

Parties cross swords, fail to pass House resolution ahead of Cyprus talks

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/03/19/parties-cross-swords-fail-to-pass-house-resolution-ahead-of-cyprus-talks/

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...well, i am hopeful.

Finally these Parties will have to look at themselves,

...and who they represent (read: who they should be representing).

Indeed there are faint attempts to find in Cypriot Political Parties, across the divide, common ground; timid steps. Such as it is, Turkish Cypriots represent about half of the illegal regime's electorate. In effect, they represent the vanguard against our existential threat, the "Turkishness" that, today, divides Turkey itself.

...and after decades, such an Identity may be recognised,and exist, better defined, celebrated, "being" Cypriot, perhaps not by the "Turks", or the "Greeks", perhaps not by Erdogan, but by the People themselves.

"Picnics": peaceful representations; with souvla under the Flag that is rightfully theirs Cypriots may gather.

If it is that the Legislature is split, (the question: what is Cyprus?) this is good; because new thinking is needed.

Study gauges political gap between TCs and settlers

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/03/19/study-gauges-political-gap-between-tcs-and-settlers/ 

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...news like this must be very unsettling to the "Greeks", and the "Turks", in Cyprus.

Good news for Cypriots, Greek or Turkish, indeed.

...whether the data is three years old or not, it is still accurate; consider the voting public in the illegally occupied territories, how they have voted for decades, and most recently as well.

Good news; for me at least: Cheers!

Disy, Akel leaders: no straying from bicommunal federation

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/03/04/disy-akel-leaders-no-straying-from-bicommunal-federation/#comment-5296584942

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They, the "They" you are talking about Huseyin, are the "Turks" and the "Greeks" that live among us.

...but, despite decades, they represent something less than half the voting population.

You may ignore this fact like "them", but it doesn't make it any less true. While we all hope that our Leadership will craft for us a solution that's agreeable, little confidence it seems exists that this may happen soon, i'll agree. And, if "they" go too far, that will be made clear, if it is the People who take to representing themselves. (They too, under their Flag, the Flag of Cyprus, may have "picnics" too.)

...there are Cypriots, and there are the "others". Are Cypriots the Problem?

"Greeks and "Turks" are no different to me. Indeed, the "Greeks" did lose in '74, because the Greeks "being" Cypriot did not support them. Anyone, Greek or Turkish Cypriot now, wishes the same defeat for "Turkishness", and for the same reasons. What is tearing Turkey itself apart today, this dogma, has torn Cyprus apart for far too long. Actually, unity in and for Turkey, what with its own need for Constitutional reform, may well begin in Cyprus, with Cypriots united; this is something to think about.

Our View: It is now tantamount to treason to back political equality

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/28/our-view-it-is-now-tantamount-to-treason-to-back-political-equality/

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Mr. Tatar wants to see "two states" as equals.

Mr. Anastasiades wants equality of all individuals without further discrimination or distinction.

...both are possible, and there are many successful BBFs, including the USA, to demonstrate this fact.

In Cyprus, as in these other States, two levels of Government are needed. Cypriots, all Cypriots having this Identity, as one, as this island's stewards, Individuals who defend the Universal Principals on which it is based, and as its Citizens sovereign over its affairs...

Cypriot Constituencies, within such a Cyprus will, with National Assemblies represent Persons, as a majority which demonstrates toward its minorities the capacity to provide for their special needs as well.

...my question for a long time has been, where is the Greek Constituency?

A Republic exists, needless to say with a Constitution in need of reform.

...where is an equal to a Turkish Constituency; i think is a good question to ask.

Flying the federal flag for Cyprus

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/21/flying-the-federal-flag-for-cyprus/

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Greek or Turkish, let's not forget that half the voting public, over decades, have voted as Cypriots, not as "Greeks" or not as "Turks". Such an identity, being Cypriot, cannot be ignored, but it is, by "them" whose intention is to define what a Cypriot will be, as though such a notion does not exist already.

Soon, i am hoping that "Greekness" like "Turkishness" will be exposed, by Cypriots, for what they are, a hateful mythic reality. Facing this existential threat, Cypriots may demonstrate their own solidarity under the Flag of Cyprus, the one "they" treat like a rag.

...Cypriots may have "Picnics" this summer; beside their Leadership, the People may represent themselves, too.

Representation as an Individual, is Freedom; Representation as Persons, is Liberty: what is a BBF?

...thank-you Mr. Alper.

Tatar: we will table two-state solution at talks

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/17/tatar-we-will-table-two-state-solution-at-talks/

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...indeed. I ask, where is the Greek Constituency, among the Cypriot constituencies, an equal in comparison to a Turkish Constituency? Isn't that the question; "two states"?

...indeed. The Republic of Cyprus exists. It's equal are the other States who put Universal Principals first; where, not as Persons, but as Individuals, equal, Citizens are treated without discrimination or distinction.

...isn't that what Cypriots, this island's dwellers, want?

The Person and the Individual, Liberty and Freedom, Nation and State; better defining these words defines the word Bicommunal. Ignoring the notion that Cypriots exist, that only "Greeks" and "Turks", exist is folly; intentions count.

The Cyprob should end how it began, with the constitution

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/07/the-cyprob-should-end-how-it-began-with-the-constitution/

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...who remembers the Communal Chamber?

Why have both sides avoided discussing its value, talking Constitutional reform, for so long?

...is this where a solution lies?

What if the President did not involve himself in their affairs as Persons (Sovereignty not the issue) because he as their Leader represents them as Individuals instead?

Having the same needs in effect, could Constituencies come to an agreement, that if presented to the President, he would consider toward this Constitutional reform?

What if there was a Greek Constituency, filling their chairs in such a Chamber?

What if (accordingly,) Turkish Cypriots took their chairs in the Legislature ?

...intentions count.

I am hopeful Mr. Riza, because the People, despite the poor representation they are getting, remain.

...and i am counting on them, when things seem to be going too far, to represent themselves;

Cypriot Lives Matter.

Two-states or ‘TRNC’ recognition

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/31/two-states-or-trnc-recognition/

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Quote:

"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."

...count them, for this agreement to fructify, there are (at least) three Constituencies. That of the People, as Individuals, the State, and those of the National Assemblies, where as Persons a majority with its agenda demonstrate their respect for the minorities that live among them, recognising and providing for their special needs as well.

Bicommunal cannot accurately be defined in Cyprus without recognising that even after decades of being unnaturally torn apart as "Greeks" and "Turks", (and despite the assimilation), that Cypriots also (still) exist, because while "they" have their own candidates, Cypriots about half the voting public no matter how its counted, have always had theirs' as well.

...indeed, if Mr. Tatar dares, while standing by the Flag of Cyprus, he may have what he wants, two states. If it were so, with the President between them, he would have an equal in the leader of such a second Cypriot Constituency, in effect, and a Cypriot way.

...indeed, we see what "Turkishness" is doing to Turkey, and what it has done, in Cyprus, as the Problem.

Mr. Tatar would do well to consider, if he is a "Cypriot Turk", to recall that Turkish Cypriots cannot be ignored. Going too far, deluding himself, that they will remain silent, will only provoke them to action. And if it came to this, through public demonstration, with Cyprus the existential question, not just Turkish Cypriots, but Cypriots in solidarity, as a grand exposition of their Flag, rightfully theirs, the Flag of Cyprus, will also have "picnics" too.

Tatar controversially renames bicommunal committees

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/18/tatar-controversially-renames-bicommunal-committees/

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...what is a "Cypriot Turk" for example?

Turkish Cypriots, like all Cypriots, may come to understand that silenced as they are, "Turkishness", (like "Greekness" decades ago), now looms large as the existential threat which usurps their singular identity: those who love this island as this island's steward.

...i am waiting for Cypriots to have their "picnics", in the spring and summer, quite frankly.

They, also may express themselves, (under their Flag, the one rightfully theirs, the Flag of Cyprus,) and demonstrate to Mr. Tatar (and Mr. Erdogan), that: "Turks" may exist, so too "Greeks" as he defines them, but that (despite their denial) Greeks and Turks who are about half the voting population either way exist who are Cypriot.

...with this petty dithering that someone in his office must be quite proud of, he does himself no favours.

EU’s Borrell urged to participate in an informal meeting

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/18/eus-borrell-urged-to-participate-in-an-informal-meeting/

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...yes please.

Mr. Borrell represents the larger context of the Problem; the values and responsibilities that go along with Universal Principals, which at the moment, it seems, Mr. Erdogan questions.

...indeed, what is the Cyprus Problem, having become a problem which Turkey has taken to places far beyond these shores? It is an indication that the Cyprus problem is a symptom of something bigger. And let's remember what tore Cyprus apart decades ago, "Turkishness", tears at Turkey herself, today.

...indeed, what does Erdogan want, to have caused such disruption, internationally, and in the region, that he has found himself quite isolated, except for Pakistan, the "Brotherhood", and Iran? What is Cyprus to him but the very root of a grand design, failing which, he may turn from the Nation he defines, for the State defined by the People.

Beyond the Treaty of Lausanne (and Sevres), a "new" Turkey, not Cyprus, is his Problem.

I am hopeful. Let's not forget that as a deadline, (toward his Legacy) he has two years before Turkey's Centennial.

Opinion: Turkey will drive a hard bargain. Here’s how the Biden team can react.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/28/turkey-plans-play-hardball-heres-how-biden-team-should-react/

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Erdogan, one hopes, will recognise that Cypriots, like Cyprus, exist. The Problem which has torn apart Cyprus for decades, "Turkishness", now threatens, and for the same reasons, to tear Turkey apart.

As in Cyprus, where it is unthinkable of it ever becoming "Greek" again, Turkey can never be "Turkish". Both Cyprus, and Turkey, are States. Neither can claim that such an existence includes discrimination or distinction for one Nation over another, Constitutionally speaking, because they are based on the Universal Principals on which our Humanity is based. Mr. Erdogan has a choice, and, he has chosen to disrupt his relations, internationally, and with all his neighbours, one also hopes, to be in a better position to move these players to work comprehensively, toward a solution, in effect, on what is his Problem; getting passed the Treaty of Lausanne.

...indeed, he has a choice to make. Who will he betray, in making his Legacy, the People of Turkey, the world, or, the Nation as he describes it, expanding? To some degree, he may get satisfaction for both, if he has a mind to.

...and let's not forget that he has only two years to do it in, in time for Turkey's Centennial. 

US model best for Cyprus

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/17/us-model-best-for-cyprus/

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...well said, Mr. Riza.

Indeed. i have asked for a long time, who represents Cypriots, having been divided by the "Greeks" and "Turks" that live among them? And what of the Rule of Law, values and principals, which people as a People respect: as Individuals, not just as Persons; such, is defined a State, above the notion of Nations that live within it.

...thank-you.

Our View: Predictable negativity from parties on Cyprus conference

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/16/our-view-predictable-negativity-from-parties-on-cyprus-conference/

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Tatar asks for "Sovereign Equality", and what is wrong with that?

I ask where is this equal, among Cypriot Constituencies, when no other Constituency actually exists?

Where is this Sovereignty as Cypriots?

Is it unreasonable to ask, who represents Cypriots when the Government, of Cyprus, is represented by Greeks exclusively, except of course the one Turkish Cypriot MEP which won a seat recently?

Is Cyprus "Greek"? Indeed, where is the Greek Constituency?

And as a Constituency would it not have this same capacity to better define their distinct identity?

If Cyprus is to be truly, a BBF, (like the USA, or Canada, e.g.), there is Freedom as a People, Individuals without further distinction or discrimination, and Liberty, where as Persons, they demonstrate toward each other the same respect and trust (by also providing for the special needs of the minorities living among them).

Who represents Cypriots? If left to the opposition, it seems, no one. Yet Disy, and AKEL are no better without moving forward, beyond the smaller Parties, as Cypriots; they too remain in denial, who they are representing: not "Greeks", and obviously not "Turks".

...without Policy, and a Mission that can be supported by all Cypriots they will remain nothing more than contributors to the impotence they all suffer.

It will be the People i suspect who will rise this spring and summer, to represent themselves, against the "Turkishness" (and "Greekness") they will expose, and to demand change. As Cypriots one would expect them to stand in solidarity threatened existentially, under their Flag, the one which is rightfully "theirs", the Flag of Cyprus.

Let's not forget, even divided as they are for decades, Cypriots have always represented something (more) than half of the voting population; something to think about.

Cypriots, finding no representation as Cypriots, may have "picnics" too.

Disy rift over federation as a Cyprus solution

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/11/disy-rift-over-federation-as-a-cyprus-solution/

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 ...does Disy represent "Greeks"? What has Disy done to better define Cypriots, or does that matter? While AKEL can also be asked the same questions, they at least elected recently a Turkish Cypriot to represent Cyprus as its MEP.

What of the illegally occupied territories, what of the regime which subjugates Cypriots to "Turkishness". What of the "picnic"? Who but Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin dare to fly the Flag of Cyprus there?

"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."

...indeed, there may be (based on Universal Principals) a Republic of Cyprus in need of Constitutional Reform, and there may be a Turkish Constituency. I ask, therefore, where is the Greek Constituency that fulfills their need to promote "Hellenism", (and a Cypriot way,) having this equal need as other Cypriot Constituencies to thrive, (because they respect and recognise the minorities, as Persons among them, providing as well for their special needs)?

Who represents Cypriots? (Who represents "Greeks"?)

Top Re: China knows how to take care of business!

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus26911.html#p904318

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...lists, impeccable Government lists have been found that document the atrocities you speak of Paphitis, and (ten years later) beyond firing squads against people who riot, their "education" continues.

Yes, Erdogan picks and chooses; here is hypocrisy as an ultimate example. While he is building his Nationalist dogma, (a Caliphate) larger than States, in Libya, in Sudan and most recently in Azerbaijan, (in Syria, Iran and Iraq), (in Pakistan and Indonesia), "Turkishness" does not reach the Uighur despite the unspeakable crimes they are suffering, because they are (Chinese in his mind, or) something else, i suppose; Turkish perhaps, but not like "Turks" (unlike the "Cypriot Turks", but like Turkish Cypriots, for example).

...both Erdogan and Xi are complicit in their questioning of Humanity's resolve toward defending Universal Principals; they take "us" as an adversary, and to their own advantage, they are masters of Individualism.

The Cuba Libre Story: lessons for Cyprus

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/12/06/the-cuba-libre-story-lessons-for-cyprus/#comment-5178736892

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...indeed, perhaps it is the history of islands; not mere possessions, which prove essential to social-exchange: that some are cross-roads,

...how is it that Fidel built at his own expense an Orthodox Church? How is it that Che, and Castro, declared of
Makarios and Grivas, them, as their inspiration against Imperialist Agendas, at the advent of Guerrilla Warfare.

What were Cubans to do, in America?

What of Cypriots, against the British?

Rule of Law, respect, equality, trust; the irony: what were they asking for (in affect as chattel)?

...let's not forget 1960, what Cypriots, as Cypriots did. Not one asphalt road existed, from one end of the island to the other. No water, from Civil Works.

Makes me wonder how Cypriots have come so far since then; from "being" an Ottoman possession, a backwater with barracks and services, and since the British took it as "theirs": how much as Cypriots their lives improved.

Makes me wonder how it is Cypriots could get so far, without the interlocutors' "influence"; basically in just three short years. And how far they could go without "them" today.

...so it is with "Turkishness", now; what "Greekness" brought upon Greeks and Turks, in Cyprus, then.

Oppression has many forms. In that regard, comparing Cuba to Cyprus is not so easy, except that as Identities, they are ignored through the same denial, by those attached to dogmas which include Imperialistic notions...

...without Cyprus, as a State, just like without a Cuba where Cubans live, is a world less safe, less Free.

The last mile: the significance of political equality

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/11/21/the-last-mile-the-significance-of-political-equality/

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...and what have we learned as Cypriots? Such as it is, "Greekness" and "Turkishness" have found a way to divide us and leave us silenced to their usurping of such an Identity. But, the result from decades of this brutal assimilation is a People, which despite it remain.

Such as it is with God, the Cypriot way: a choice.

...trust, respect toward each other; those who serve Lovingly.

Indeed, our Faith, as Cypriots, is united. Having many Faiths who stand together in such celebrations are not uncommon here. Yet, our Leadership in all its forms has let us down; on this i will agree. It seems that way because they have taken the position of their worst extremes, and this is a corruption that willfully dismisses what is a simple fact: Persons like Individuals are not so easily defined but by merit. (the words, charity, and grace, come to mind.) That, despite all our differences, there is, (even in a world of many gods, or none,) one God.

Perhaps Individuals, like Persons should not be defined, but recognised, in Cyprus.

"Greeks" like "Turks" are a Political myth, Cypriots are real.

Our View: Erdogan’s visit a clear message to Greek Cypriots

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/11/17/our-view-erdogans-visit-a-clear-message-to-greek-cypriots/#comment-5158114863 

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...well said.

Indeed, who does the Republic represent?

Who represents Cypriots, as Cypriots?

Divided as we are, what is left but free expression, for "Greeks" and "Turks".

Indeed, Erdogan is tearing Turkey apart, with his dogma, of "Turkishness"; and all his neighbours feel the same disruptions that Cyprus has suffered for decades now.

For all of us, the rest of Humanity, there is reason to fear such a notion which questions Universal Principals, or ignores them. At the very root of this problem, against it stand the Cypriots, if as Cypriots, they take back the word ENOSIS, that has divided them for so long, if as Cypriots, if as a People united, Turkish and Greek, they stand against "Greekness" and "Turkishness".

...let's talk Cypriot Constituencies, if we want a BBF: Freedom, as Individuals; Liberty as Persons.

Indeed, the People, cannot expect change from their Leadership, without demonstrating for the changes they want, themselves. I expect many "picnics" everywhere in Cyprus (which includes the illegally occupied territories), come the spring and summer. The Flag of Cyprus, the one "they" treat as a rag, i imagine will also figure predominantly. Thusly, Mr. Tatar, and Mr. Erdogan will be hard pressed to deny Cypriots as few. They will be hard pressed to deny Cypriots their Identity, existentially speaking, as well.

...souvla lalis?

Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus46325-310.html#p902774

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Zimbabwe is not a pretty picture, and there are members of the Rhodes family that i know now living in Canada; humble to say the least.

...vast tracks of unused land were not given to the People, (everything was taken instead,) as was the promise, by going against the landowners; and what was taken was taken most brutally, i remember.

I was hopeful, Cap, that Blacks could rule their own lives, that in a world of integration, even more growth; equitably by being more providing.

...but that didn't happen, and the bastard that assassinated his opposition ruled for the rest of his life having died only recently; what of his wife i ask, she is apparently one of the richest women in the world?

This much, i know of Rhodesia, and my opinion.

How does it compare to the Problem, in Cyprus?

...good people suffered. Such a world of "Blacks" and "Whites", like those in Cyprus i call "Greeks" and "Turks", have one intention, to make victims of Blacks and Whites, Greeks and Turks, unlike "them".

Indeed, Cypriot Lives Matter.

Cheers.

Our View: Hypocrisy of small parties miss the bigger picture over talks

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/11/05/our-view-hypocrisy-of-small-parties-miss-the-bigger-picture-over-talks/ 

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Indeed, such hypocrisy.

I ask, where is the Greek Constituency? (Who should dare to ask this question?)

Where is there self-representation, as Persons, for Greeks; (or, Maronite, Armenians, Latins)?

What of Cypriot Constituencies?

Such as it is, and such as it will be, the Republic represents its Citizens, without further distinction, or discrimination, as Cypriots, as Individuals and all equal. These the same Principals all Humanity accepts, recognises, and respects. And; at another level of Government closer to home, closer to Taxes paid in effect.

(What is a BBF?)

Indeed, Greek Cypriots, like Turkish Cypriots, have no representation as Persons, yet.

Notions like "Greekness" and "Turkishness" have proven to be over decades costly to the interlocutors. (And most costly to Cypriots, let's not forget.) Cypriots, despite much denial, remain, not few, but about half the voting population; this, despite the unnatural divide: the assimilation that has gone with it toward keeping them divided.

Who represents Cypriots, as Cypriots?

(What is a Nationalist? What is a Patriot?)

...DIKO, like the "Greens", may want to look at, who, they want to serve.

DISY and AKEL, should do the same.