https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47285-120.html#p893222
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...very interesting and educational thoughts from the both of you; harder to read than my stuff but that's another story.
in a nutshell; Cyprus, its constitution needs reform.
Cypriots exist. The "Greeks" and "Turks" that live among them exist too. The future for Cypriots, one hopes is neither their assimilation or subjugation by either. And yet, it seems that in the negotiation of the Problem, it is as though such a notion as Cypriot will be created; with no chair for a Cypriot between "them", and no chance for a Cypriot (but at an election box) to even have their say.
...indeed, it is an issue of identity, and as "Greeks" and "Turks" agitate for their Agenda with more finality, i surmise, under the circumstances, so too those Cypriot (about half the population) will be compelled no longer to remain silent. In acts and demonstrations, they will signal their unity against "them" with a simple choice, under the Flag of Cyprus, because it is a powerful symbol which as yet has not been used specifically to expose those not Cypriot. (i shutter thinking, in Cyprus, how that could turn out; talking about Flags, and extremists' feelings about their own: but violence is not the only outcome.)
...what do Cypriots want, i ask; never mind the "Greeks"and the "Turks".
And if in a BBF Cypriots, as Individuals, (also an identity) represent themselves as Cypriots, what is wrong with Cypriot Constituencies representing them as Persons?
...intentions count; what as persons they do to demonstrate in a majority their Goodwill toward the minorities among them.
(how lucky i feel living in a BBF like Canada, how much i enjoy the same hope for Cypriots)
Monday, February 24, 2020
Thursday, February 20, 2020
Our View: No surprise politicians ignore positive economic benefits of a solution
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/19/our-view-no-surprise-politicians-ignore-positive-economic-benefits-of-a-solution/
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...interesting.
What power Akinci has, standing under the Flag of Cyprus, if he dares, if this, is his conviction (it's election time). It is, in affect, the biggest threat to "Turkishness", (not just in Cyprus, but, in Turkey), his position, so says the "Turkish" Press. This election is to be a kind of referendum, it is also said in the "Turkish" Press. I ask, how far will Erdogan go to put Akinci, "in his place"? How far will Akinci go, to demonstrate he may be Turkish, but no "Turk"? That Turkish Cypriots are not "Cypriot Turks", they are Cypriot first.
Who will he betray? Because it seems that he must decide (no longer silent) and speak clearly; if it is that he is Cypriot. He cannot be a "Turk" as well as Turkish any longer it seems. (The "Turks" call him unreliable, to say the least.)
Thus, standing under the Flag of Cyprus he may be for Turkish Cypriots, (and not "Turkishness",) yet, he speaks to Cypriots, "being" Cypriot in doing so; then, if he wins he has Cypriots' support, the People, not just that of a single community within it.
...how is that for negotiating from a position of strength? Does he have vision? What Legacy will he leave if he does not stand up for Cypriots, Turkish, and Greek? How can Anastasiades, as a Cypriot, a Greek, and as the Republic's President refuse this bold enterprise, for Cyprus, as well, "changing mentality" for better intentions?
This is a (read: the) good beginning step. Cypriots are Cypriots. That Cyprus is Free. It is a State representing its Citizens, on Universal Principals, based on Equality, and having without further distinction or discrimination Individual Rights.
Who can deny that this is the issue, for Cypriots?
If there are Cypriot Constituencies, at another level of Government, so that as Persons, Cypriots have Liberty in representing themselves in National Assemblies as such, one hopes that as majorities holding their own Agendas within their respective territorial jurisdictions, that they may demonstrate the capacity to respect and recognise the minorities that live among them, by providing for them, accordingly, as well their special needs. Is it possible that any one of these Constituencies is incapable of this Goodwill?
...in my mind, it starts with Akinci, with a bang, after all this whimpering, with this election, to focus minds, something simple, like standing under the Flag, his Flag, no more denying it, the Flag of Cyprus.
...but i speak too much, Akinci a voice, at least to Cypriots, as strong as Erdogan's; who can imagine that?.
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...interesting.
What power Akinci has, standing under the Flag of Cyprus, if he dares, if this, is his conviction (it's election time). It is, in affect, the biggest threat to "Turkishness", (not just in Cyprus, but, in Turkey), his position, so says the "Turkish" Press. This election is to be a kind of referendum, it is also said in the "Turkish" Press. I ask, how far will Erdogan go to put Akinci, "in his place"? How far will Akinci go, to demonstrate he may be Turkish, but no "Turk"? That Turkish Cypriots are not "Cypriot Turks", they are Cypriot first.
Who will he betray? Because it seems that he must decide (no longer silent) and speak clearly; if it is that he is Cypriot. He cannot be a "Turk" as well as Turkish any longer it seems. (The "Turks" call him unreliable, to say the least.)
Thus, standing under the Flag of Cyprus he may be for Turkish Cypriots, (and not "Turkishness",) yet, he speaks to Cypriots, "being" Cypriot in doing so; then, if he wins he has Cypriots' support, the People, not just that of a single community within it.
...how is that for negotiating from a position of strength? Does he have vision? What Legacy will he leave if he does not stand up for Cypriots, Turkish, and Greek? How can Anastasiades, as a Cypriot, a Greek, and as the Republic's President refuse this bold enterprise, for Cyprus, as well, "changing mentality" for better intentions?
This is a (read: the) good beginning step. Cypriots are Cypriots. That Cyprus is Free. It is a State representing its Citizens, on Universal Principals, based on Equality, and having without further distinction or discrimination Individual Rights.
Who can deny that this is the issue, for Cypriots?
If there are Cypriot Constituencies, at another level of Government, so that as Persons, Cypriots have Liberty in representing themselves in National Assemblies as such, one hopes that as majorities holding their own Agendas within their respective territorial jurisdictions, that they may demonstrate the capacity to respect and recognise the minorities that live among them, by providing for them, accordingly, as well their special needs. Is it possible that any one of these Constituencies is incapable of this Goodwill?
...in my mind, it starts with Akinci, with a bang, after all this whimpering, with this election, to focus minds, something simple, like standing under the Flag, his Flag, no more denying it, the Flag of Cyprus.
...but i speak too much, Akinci a voice, at least to Cypriots, as strong as Erdogan's; who can imagine that?.
Monday, February 17, 2020
I'm fucking angry......
https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47285-20.html#p892968
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...the Problem is that Greeks allow "Greeks" to represent them, because they are against "Turks". The Problem is that Turks do the same thing to Greeks, with "Turks". The Problem is that Greeks and Turks must recognise that their adversary in this Problem are not each other, but the hateful enterprise as it exists of those "others".
...just ''be'' Cypriot, and realise that ''Greeks'' and ''Turks'' are the same; and that "they" are not Cypriot.
...we must stop labeling each other; "This" must stop.
...it has nothing to do with schools, it is a cheap excuse, or priests; it is up to you (and every one of us, accordingly).
...i have good things to say about my neighbours because i recognise that these neighbours deserve this esteem. There are neighbours, "Greek" and "Turkish" too, but why dwell on them? Who "wins" if i do that?
...and yes, a President that refuses to stand beside the Flag of Cyprus is just plain wrong to me, (especially if they are calling for Constitutional reform as well,) just like the flags on the mountain; it is from ignorance such as it is.
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...the Problem is that Greeks allow "Greeks" to represent them, because they are against "Turks". The Problem is that Turks do the same thing to Greeks, with "Turks". The Problem is that Greeks and Turks must recognise that their adversary in this Problem are not each other, but the hateful enterprise as it exists of those "others".
...just ''be'' Cypriot, and realise that ''Greeks'' and ''Turks'' are the same; and that "they" are not Cypriot.
...we must stop labeling each other; "This" must stop.
...it has nothing to do with schools, it is a cheap excuse, or priests; it is up to you (and every one of us, accordingly).
...i have good things to say about my neighbours because i recognise that these neighbours deserve this esteem. There are neighbours, "Greek" and "Turkish" too, but why dwell on them? Who "wins" if i do that?
...and yes, a President that refuses to stand beside the Flag of Cyprus is just plain wrong to me, (especially if they are calling for Constitutional reform as well,) just like the flags on the mountain; it is from ignorance such as it is.
Friday, February 14, 2020
Our View: Crystal clear Turkey wants Akinci out
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/11/our-view-crystal-clear-turkey-wants-akinci-out/#comment-4793742937
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...thus, i ask, where is the Communal Chamber?
(...and as you say,)
Isn't it included in the Constitution, along with a Legislature?
Indeed, Turkish Cypriots should be asking for Greek Cypriots to join them in such a Chamber, just as Greeks are asking Turks to join them in the Legislature. How is this not Bicommunal, if as Greeks and Turks, as Persons, we recognise that this Liberty is based on respect and recognition, and accordingly, that such Constituencies demonstrate a willingness to provide for their minorities' special needs; that together they may demonstrate such a willingness to each other, and where numbers warrant the needs of other Cypriot Constituencies as well.
Indeed, it is as Cypriots, in Freedom, as Cypriots that we can realise these aspirations; to be loving, to respect and trust one another. The Individual, not as a "Greek", not as a "Turk", but as a Human being, also exists: a society based on merit without further distinction or discrimination. This voice needs its expression too. The problem in Cyprus, identified as the Problem, in effect is not about "Greeks" and "Turks", or Greeks and Turks, but "Greeks"/"Turks" against Greek/Turks.
But, to get back to the question. I think Anastasiades understands this issue, to "be" an Individual and a Person; it is not clear yet if Akinci represents Turkish Cypriots, as Cypriots, also. More importantly, Akinci, in doing as i've suggested before, stand beside the Flag of Cyprus, will cause a furor; and yet who will be exposed, who then is the traitor: those who treat it like a rag.
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...thus, i ask, where is the Communal Chamber?
(...and as you say,)
Isn't it included in the Constitution, along with a Legislature?
Indeed, Turkish Cypriots should be asking for Greek Cypriots to join them in such a Chamber, just as Greeks are asking Turks to join them in the Legislature. How is this not Bicommunal, if as Greeks and Turks, as Persons, we recognise that this Liberty is based on respect and recognition, and accordingly, that such Constituencies demonstrate a willingness to provide for their minorities' special needs; that together they may demonstrate such a willingness to each other, and where numbers warrant the needs of other Cypriot Constituencies as well.
Indeed, it is as Cypriots, in Freedom, as Cypriots that we can realise these aspirations; to be loving, to respect and trust one another. The Individual, not as a "Greek", not as a "Turk", but as a Human being, also exists: a society based on merit without further distinction or discrimination. This voice needs its expression too. The problem in Cyprus, identified as the Problem, in effect is not about "Greeks" and "Turks", or Greeks and Turks, but "Greeks"/"Turks" against Greek/Turks.
But, to get back to the question. I think Anastasiades understands this issue, to "be" an Individual and a Person; it is not clear yet if Akinci represents Turkish Cypriots, as Cypriots, also. More importantly, Akinci, in doing as i've suggested before, stand beside the Flag of Cyprus, will cause a furor; and yet who will be exposed, who then is the traitor: those who treat it like a rag.
Thursday, February 06, 2020
Re: elections in the illegally occupied territories
https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47211.html#p892824
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...interestingly, it is hurriyet, that has published news (again) of Akinci's position with some substance.
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/incumbent-turkish-cypriot-president-to-seek-re-election-151790
“The establishment of equal, not a hierarchical, relationship between Turkey and Cyprus, is a factor that will strengthen the bonds of friendship and sisterhood,” Akıncı said.
“It is clear that it will not be possible to ensure the recognition of Turkish Cyprus in the visible future. Two separate independent sovereign states within the EU discourse also cannot be described as a possible formula in this respect,” he said.
Stating that the federal settlement is the most realistic solution model under the current conditions, Akıncı emphasized that “this [federal settlement] has become a necessity for the region.”
...if he is clear, will he stand with the Flag of Cyprus behind him? Despite "being" Turkish, or Maronite, Armenian, Latin, or Greek, is it possible to be a Cypriot too?
...and what if there are Cypriot Constituencies? Why not a Federal Government as well, where, instead of Persons, Citizens have representation as Individuals? Is this not a BBF in its purest and most ideal form? Indeed, is it not the model Turkey needs with its own Problem, never mind the Problem in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, (as well as Israel), speaking of Constituencies and Constitutional reform?
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...interestingly, it is hurriyet, that has published news (again) of Akinci's position with some substance.
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/incumbent-turkish-cypriot-president-to-seek-re-election-151790
“The establishment of equal, not a hierarchical, relationship between Turkey and Cyprus, is a factor that will strengthen the bonds of friendship and sisterhood,” Akıncı said.
“It is clear that it will not be possible to ensure the recognition of Turkish Cyprus in the visible future. Two separate independent sovereign states within the EU discourse also cannot be described as a possible formula in this respect,” he said.
Stating that the federal settlement is the most realistic solution model under the current conditions, Akıncı emphasized that “this [federal settlement] has become a necessity for the region.”
...if he is clear, will he stand with the Flag of Cyprus behind him? Despite "being" Turkish, or Maronite, Armenian, Latin, or Greek, is it possible to be a Cypriot too?
...and what if there are Cypriot Constituencies? Why not a Federal Government as well, where, instead of Persons, Citizens have representation as Individuals? Is this not a BBF in its purest and most ideal form? Indeed, is it not the model Turkey needs with its own Problem, never mind the Problem in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, (as well as Israel), speaking of Constituencies and Constitutional reform?
Monday, February 03, 2020
A road map to peace in the East Med
https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/02/a-road-map-to-peace-in-the-east-med/#comment-4781700400
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Indeed, if there is a road map, all roads lead to Cyprus.
The Cyprus problem is not the problem, but the Problem is.
While we are divided as "Greeks" and "Turks", it is easy for Cypriots to be forgotten in their midst. "Greekness" against "Turkishness" and/or vice versa is the Agenda. Thus, Cypriots are not the Problem, nor the problem, they are a People which remain, as people, under the subjugation of a mythic reality that "Turkishness", or "Greekness", matters more, than anything else.
Yet, how does this relate to oil and gas exploration in the Eastern Mediterranean, I ask? How is it oil and gas exploration, in Cyprus, has been linked to hostilities in the Aegean with Greece, and most recently, Libya.
Witness the Treaty of Sevres, "cornered" with the installation of a Sovereign base in Cyprus for his drones, so says Mr. Erdogan. Witness the Treaty of Lausanne, "tossed out a window'', his disruptive behaviour toward all his neighours, and now on the seas. His supremacy, militarily speaking, over any one of these adversaries (read: neighbours), is only a few years away, given the military-industrial complex he is growing.
Prepared to War, as such, will put him in a better negotiating position, if instead it comes to that.
But what does Turkey gain, from Cyprus, if it is divided for "Turkishness", the rest for others (read: "Greek")? It is not just Cyprus which is torn apart, but the very fabric that has made the notion of Humanity, above it. This is the Problem. And a Cyprus divided, means Turkey divided, for the same reason; Erdogan must know this.
What of Turkish Constituencies? What of the Kurds and the Alevi, are they not Turks, and Turkish? One Flag in Turkey, like one Flag in Cyprus makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps it is Cyprus that will change Turkey, and not the other way around. Perhaps a BBF in Turkey, with its own Constitutional reform is something to think about.
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Indeed, if there is a road map, all roads lead to Cyprus.
The Cyprus problem is not the problem, but the Problem is.
While we are divided as "Greeks" and "Turks", it is easy for Cypriots to be forgotten in their midst. "Greekness" against "Turkishness" and/or vice versa is the Agenda. Thus, Cypriots are not the Problem, nor the problem, they are a People which remain, as people, under the subjugation of a mythic reality that "Turkishness", or "Greekness", matters more, than anything else.
Yet, how does this relate to oil and gas exploration in the Eastern Mediterranean, I ask? How is it oil and gas exploration, in Cyprus, has been linked to hostilities in the Aegean with Greece, and most recently, Libya.
Witness the Treaty of Sevres, "cornered" with the installation of a Sovereign base in Cyprus for his drones, so says Mr. Erdogan. Witness the Treaty of Lausanne, "tossed out a window'', his disruptive behaviour toward all his neighours, and now on the seas. His supremacy, militarily speaking, over any one of these adversaries (read: neighbours), is only a few years away, given the military-industrial complex he is growing.
Prepared to War, as such, will put him in a better negotiating position, if instead it comes to that.
But what does Turkey gain, from Cyprus, if it is divided for "Turkishness", the rest for others (read: "Greek")? It is not just Cyprus which is torn apart, but the very fabric that has made the notion of Humanity, above it. This is the Problem. And a Cyprus divided, means Turkey divided, for the same reason; Erdogan must know this.
What of Turkish Constituencies? What of the Kurds and the Alevi, are they not Turks, and Turkish? One Flag in Turkey, like one Flag in Cyprus makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps it is Cyprus that will change Turkey, and not the other way around. Perhaps a BBF in Turkey, with its own Constitutional reform is something to think about.
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