Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus
brother wrote:
Dhavlos wrote:
yeh, in greek, Greek Cypriot dont call themselves 'ellinokibreoi/greekcypriots'...they just call themselves 'kibreoi/cypriots'... so really it is just the english language that makes us look more divided
Blame the brits again
Historically, there is more to the truth in you humour. Britain is famous as the colonial power that was best able at ruling by dividing. Turkey, I might add is famous for its ability to overwhelm, and they are the most capable at delaying for generations any alteration to their affects. Cyprus, has a body of people who are identified as Cypriots because they are indigenous to the island, and that predates the modern concept of Nation or of Religion. It is only in recent times, not seventy years ago that these people had, as an opportunity, the right to their own sovereignty. For whatever reason, the interlocutors have reasons of their own, which put at risk, this valuable and long sustaining culture. We call ourselves Greek and Turk, although Grecophone or Turcophone is more accurate.
Tuesday, February 28, 2006
Monday, February 27, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:
I have avoided discussing religion as a sense of our Cypriotness, but the same memories always come to mind.
When I was a young child, one day, with my aunt in a field of wheat, I saw strangers at a tree. I do not like walking through wheat fields as it grows, because it serves no good purpose to the wheat. "what are those strangers doing there?", I asked, and she told me the story of the tree, and how many of the trees, in that field, were planted by apostles. In my family's fields, and in my village, "how do they know they are there?", but she didn't know, "They say it is written somewhere." This is where I am from, my home, a place where the dust, is the lives of people to our Neolithic past. The point being, the name, 'Komi', is Arabic, this history is older than the village, and that, before the contemporary history, as TPap said recently, like sand cast over the island, no place, without some 'confluence' (as above in the thread), of people.
To be Cypriot, is to have an identity with God, and the greatness of this reverance, has been our ability to celebrate this oneness, together, by accepting that the future, its change, is not stopped, but embraced. This is why the culture we can identify as Cypriot has survived, till now. However in trying to define it then, I believe that Mankind has moved on from the cutting edge of 1960, yet for the same reason, we, as a people, must find a resolution which stands out, and preserves a facet of Humanity, for selfish reasons, it seems, other interlocutors ignore.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:
I have avoided discussing religion as a sense of our Cypriotness, but the same memories always come to mind.
When I was a young child, one day, with my aunt in a field of wheat, I saw strangers at a tree. I do not like walking through wheat fields as it grows, because it serves no good purpose to the wheat. "what are those strangers doing there?", I asked, and she told me the story of the tree, and how many of the trees, in that field, were planted by apostles. In my family's fields, and in my village, "how do they know they are there?", but she didn't know, "They say it is written somewhere." This is where I am from, my home, a place where the dust, is the lives of people to our Neolithic past. The point being, the name, 'Komi', is Arabic, this history is older than the village, and that, before the contemporary history, as TPap said recently, like sand cast over the island, no place, without some 'confluence' (as above in the thread), of people.
To be Cypriot, is to have an identity with God, and the greatness of this reverance, has been our ability to celebrate this oneness, together, by accepting that the future, its change, is not stopped, but embraced. This is why the culture we can identify as Cypriot has survived, till now. However in trying to define it then, I believe that Mankind has moved on from the cutting edge of 1960, yet for the same reason, we, as a people, must find a resolution which stands out, and preserves a facet of Humanity, for selfish reasons, it seems, other interlocutors ignore.
Monday, February 20, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Cyprus threatens use of EU veto
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Cyprus threatens use of EU veto
Eric, you want the recognition of your government as the authority in the territory which you now occupy, correct? I say that after 30 years, it has built up a bureaucracy that has the credibility to direct these tasks. The Republic of Cyprus is a valuable tool to its citizens, (generally), although bi-communal by constitution, it is seen to have a bias. Culturally, the proportions between its citizens are dramatic. For a strong state in Cyprus, I propose a bi-cameral legislature, with the house which leads having an equal number of elected from each community, by party therefore, a majority is found. In National elections, you would vote for one Greek and one Turkish representative, from the same or different Parties to represent you. In this Senate, the Leader of Government is the party leader who has the majority of seats, having the greatest number of both communities for its support. A lower house of representatives is elected by majority and represents the best of each constituency independantly. As their aim as legislators is to make transparent the information the Government has for its policies, they work in commitee so that legislation the Government proposes is vetted by their investigation...there is a veto, and some other details... not all the details are clear, but the idea you see is working for a central government which has a very strong system of checks and balances, so that all of us can expect the best, in all our interests internationally, as a nation. But a GreekAuthority like your own, would have to exist, for this plan which would give each side, culturally, liberty to express themselves to the fullest extent possible and a stake in the central government which is strong because it is equal. I insist that for Cyprus it is very important to look at the resettlement as a whole. Meaning, Turks and Greeks can benefit in the return of land and the establishment of communities in Cantons, so that the diversity of both its cultures, as well as the possibility for growth, improves all our lives with so much vitality. There will be Greeks And Turks working and living everywhere, so too so many others because, after all it is a small island, and except for the cantons they will live as a minority respectively, in one zone or the other with rights as a Cypriot to be served equally, in three languages.
Eric, you want the recognition of your government as the authority in the territory which you now occupy, correct? I say that after 30 years, it has built up a bureaucracy that has the credibility to direct these tasks. The Republic of Cyprus is a valuable tool to its citizens, (generally), although bi-communal by constitution, it is seen to have a bias. Culturally, the proportions between its citizens are dramatic. For a strong state in Cyprus, I propose a bi-cameral legislature, with the house which leads having an equal number of elected from each community, by party therefore, a majority is found. In National elections, you would vote for one Greek and one Turkish representative, from the same or different Parties to represent you. In this Senate, the Leader of Government is the party leader who has the majority of seats, having the greatest number of both communities for its support. A lower house of representatives is elected by majority and represents the best of each constituency independantly. As their aim as legislators is to make transparent the information the Government has for its policies, they work in commitee so that legislation the Government proposes is vetted by their investigation...there is a veto, and some other details... not all the details are clear, but the idea you see is working for a central government which has a very strong system of checks and balances, so that all of us can expect the best, in all our interests internationally, as a nation. But a GreekAuthority like your own, would have to exist, for this plan which would give each side, culturally, liberty to express themselves to the fullest extent possible and a stake in the central government which is strong because it is equal. I insist that for Cyprus it is very important to look at the resettlement as a whole. Meaning, Turks and Greeks can benefit in the return of land and the establishment of communities in Cantons, so that the diversity of both its cultures, as well as the possibility for growth, improves all our lives with so much vitality. There will be Greeks And Turks working and living everywhere, so too so many others because, after all it is a small island, and except for the cantons they will live as a minority respectively, in one zone or the other with rights as a Cypriot to be served equally, in three languages.
Friday, February 10, 2006
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Residents Immigrants whatever...
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Residents Immigrants whatever...
The numbers are irrelavant, because they will be what they will be, when the people are counted by a body that can maintain its impartiality. And, the population issue is a 'hot button'.
It is fair at this point to call upon the members of the forum to recall the issue as a Human effort, and to remember our responsibility to Mankind, which depends on our ability to find in our dialogue, success that they can emulate.
Whatever the result, it is in our interest to be welcoming to those that are caught up in an imbroglio, that for some, those that are here on our island, has gone on for over thirty years. Obviously, the settlers which Turkey has invited need the very best of our intentions, because they left Turkey, like frontier people anywhere, anything was better than what they had otherwise.
Like it or not, we cannot stand against the future, nor can we always live in fear, it is up to us to embrace the future, beyond the EU, and the Middle East, when Africa is free from sickness and the tyranny of so few. Where ill we be, in the middle of all of this.
The numbers are irrelavant, because they will be what they will be, when the people are counted by a body that can maintain its impartiality. And, the population issue is a 'hot button'.
It is fair at this point to call upon the members of the forum to recall the issue as a Human effort, and to remember our responsibility to Mankind, which depends on our ability to find in our dialogue, success that they can emulate.
Whatever the result, it is in our interest to be welcoming to those that are caught up in an imbroglio, that for some, those that are here on our island, has gone on for over thirty years. Obviously, the settlers which Turkey has invited need the very best of our intentions, because they left Turkey, like frontier people anywhere, anything was better than what they had otherwise.
Like it or not, we cannot stand against the future, nor can we always live in fear, it is up to us to embrace the future, beyond the EU, and the Middle East, when Africa is free from sickness and the tyranny of so few. Where ill we be, in the middle of all of this.
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