Re: WHY ON EARTH HAVE THEY OPENED UP VAROSHA?????

 https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47539-10.html#p940152

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..."winning" i suppose, is what counts. If you are "Turkish" in Cyprus or if you are "Greek" your lives have the added burden of being hateful toward each other and ignorant to your victims, those of us on this island defending Universal Principles.

But, as an enterprise it seems quite profitable for both of "You"; what with the Cypriots (the other half) still struggling with what was usurped from them, their Individual Rights: to "be" Cypriots and to be loving persons as such.

...such as it is 'we' are still here. (whatever "You" say about each other)

While things are (un)changing "things" do not go on for ever, those silenced or silent will speak.

Our View: Christodoulides is not the right candidate to deliver a Cyprus solution

 https://cyprus-mail.com/2022/11/27/our-view-christodoulides-is-not-the-right-candidate-to-deliver-a-cyprus-solution/

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...what has AKEL done since they managed to get a Turkish Cypriot elected as an MEP? What has DISY done to open itself to an electorate, whether they can vote or not, which have to agree?

Indeed, such leadership shortsighted seeks power alone. And they may win it, divided as we are, to "be", "Greek" or "Turkish". Indeed, they fail us, the other half not "Greek" or "Turkish", representing Cypriots in this way.

Let us remember, despite this poor (read: corrupt) leadership, it is the People who have voted over decades, even unnaturally torn apart, to 'be' Cypriots; no candidate of "Theirs" has ever won an election overwhelmingly.

ENOSIS, these leaders, it seems, lack the courage as Patriots to take back the word by giving it a Cypriot meaning.

Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus47917.html#p912133

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...it must have started this way, but at one point, it would be hard to imagine Makarios did not change his intentions. Remember he survived two assassination attempts, as though one was not enough; it was a Proxy War on many levels, very complex if you include the interlocutors, not just a war of "Greeks" against "Turks", or "Turks" against "Greeks", but "Turks" against Turks, "Greeks" against Greeks, and of course "Greeks" and "Turks" against Cypriots.

...all i am waiting for are Cypriots making souvla on their beaches, swords drawn with hunks of meat stabbed through for the fire, to eat the bounty of togetherness under the one Flag rightfully theirs; who would refuse Cypriots against the "Them" that has kept them divided, acting this way?

Akinci: Turkey’s end goal is annexation of the north

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/08/18/akinci-turkeys-end-goal-is-annexation-of-the-north/#comment-5500034039 

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...so what am i supposed to say to Mr. Akinci now, as a Cypriot?

Will he leave his Legacy at that, a puppet?

...is he prepared to speak to/for all Cypriots as a Cypriot?

...is he prepared to speak for Turkish Cypriots, and to stand against the "Cypriot Turks", who to all Cypriots are a threat? He can if he wants to; while "they" would be against it, Cypriots would join him.

...it's the manifesto thingy, again

Dear Mr. Ki-Moon,

My hope is that you will consider the value of my thinking now that a way ahead will be proposed that serves a family far bigger than "Greek" or "Turk". My hope is that you will not forget the rest of us who place Universal Principals first. The world needs a definition for Bicommunal, and now the word Bizonal. At 55, I have spent the greater part of my life remembering (Cyprus), not to forget, and to act accordingly. With the revolution of the Information Age, I beg you to google, or blogspot, repulsewarrior; that's me.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

...this much we know so far.

(at least) three governing bodies must exist for this agreement to fructify Identities for each.

In my Cyprus, the Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is defined by one Sovereign State representing me as an Individual, while there exists for these People (like me), as Persons, National Assemblies with Territorial Jurisdictions, to provide for them as Majorities a means to sustain this identity as well.

In my Cyprus, the Green Line becomes a frontier, no longer a border, because (at least for some), the displaced return as they left, as Communities. Enclaves, which pocket the whole island, offers this opportunity to Individuals by having real choices as Persons (, that will include some of the newly displaced,), with the possibility of more than two "zones" (including the needs of the Maronite and Armenian communities, Sovereignty never being a question), without tearing the fabric of the living around them, respectful to the reciprocal nature of their recognition for the special needs of the Minorities amongst them, inclusive because the diversity of each society (Turkish and Greek mostly) will expand island wide.

Cypriots rely on your abilities to remember that they may be the few in a wider complexity of the Problem, they, they need Good Governance based on the Principals of Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, and a Rule of Law.

Cyprus is an island. After all, it has never been but one, its Heritance dates back to the beginnings of Mankind, this wealth which is Humanity's cannot be dismissed, either.

Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: “Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.”, lol.

Most Warmly, I Prey you have Good Guidance.

Why Multiculturalism Doesn't Work

...yup, mobility.

welcome to the Human race.

sorry arse, get used to the cold wind
we'rd would blow, tain't Kansas anymore.

English. do you know there is an ethnosphere?
nearly extinct, and more devastating; ecosphere (lol)
and yet, not being constructive, playful, no society
here, is embracing the Information Age with their efforts
for language, their language more transparent to many.

there is the melting pot, and mosaics, choose
your giving, welcoming the rest of the world
and engineer what is in science, right. not "Greek"
not "Turkish" if we
resist the fear, we do not forget the reason
men (and women) die, that there are greater
enemies amongst ourselves.

we are lucky, being
bicommunal, but we haven't figured what it means
what when we embrace the future imagine
arab greekcypriots, jewish turkishcypriot; what's
wrong with that? what's wrong with arab turkishcypriots, and jewish greekcypriots? think three, or four thousand
years ago, think not so long ago. we survive
because we are facilitators for three continents'
social exchange; this is Cypriot.

no need to bore you, but read my manifesto.

cheers!

Todays visit to Famagusta-very depressing.....

...my family stayed because they believed in their neighbours, many, my uncles and cousins disappeared, but that does not diminish my love for those who love as well, only the murderers that they have to live with, now, who chose this opportunity to plunder.

...and, i know that we are still friends (even with the gates closed we found ways to communicate), close to our village, our customs, and our land.

we were not "greeks"or "turks", we were farmers, we sustained ourselves, respectful and giving people, a "mixed" village according to the subjugators who came and went.

indeed, politics was a world away, even with modern devices, we did not stray, and to this day we do not forget; it is unfortunate that turkey is no stranger to denial, even the treaty of lausanne, i believe. cash has no value without Justice, i root for the displaced who like myself choose to deny the privelage of either side to dismiss the acts which left us victims. things can't go back to the way they were, facts on the ground, things cannot stay the same, but for some at least, like the citizens of Famagusta, we ask to return as communities. you don't like greeks bir, if they are like the turks i don't like then we don't like the same people, i'd bet.

...you don't even have to be cypriot to feel that way. and most importantly the Constitution for our State, should respect these Human Values, this basically is what cannot be refused. Within a Unitary State, two National Assemblies which have as components a number of constituencies: that's BBF.

cheers!

...oh and, please read my manifesto.

(thanks.)

ECHR: CASE OF SOLOMOU v. TURKEY

Turks in bushes, Turks on the balcony, shots from three directions, civilians with handguns, no show (riot police?) of force in numbers, others injured after the fact by indisciminate shooting, sounds like Turks were prepared for the demonstration in a manner which could only provoke a riot, that could end only with a death.

Turkey denies, Turkey ignores their own lack of discipline, Turkey learns nothing from the incident and allows their "image" to tarnish. Turkey's reform is in stagnation and it is strangling their ability to become a Global partner.

Without the investigation (or Justice), the Army and the State demonstrate an inability to expose incompetance (and/or Criminal behaviour), toward their own betterment. For Turkish citizens, this is important.

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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)

The British Bases.

Muzzy, thanks for this debate, it is interesting.

...i think that the British Bases are an anomally which can serve a higher purpose if the intelligence they gather there is for our security in an event where the region faces threats. If they are to remain, they must reflect a policy which allows for our cooperation with Turkey, England, and NATO, partners with Cyprus to effect this work.

Turkey's "guarantee" is spurious, its credibility is suspect, because it can be seen to be self-serving. Your fear of "Greek-Cypriots", may have validity, but for the same reasons, "Greek Cypriots" fear the overwhelming size of Turkey. Turkey may have a presence on the island that is welcome, even militarily, but it requires of Turkey a recognition of a Sovereign State, which as equals apply themselves to a common goal.



The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)

King Assassinated Today

Martin Luther King said that you can never stop. His tactic of non violence grew to a boycott which for month's on end would not sway, provoked, his house was bombed, his wife and his daughter, he remained unswayed, until he was shot in 1968. Does the civil rights movement exist? It is there, and it has changed the lives of people all over the world. He is gone, he gave us this dream, that Freedom would Reign from the mountaintops everywhere, along with the mud flats of the Mississippi. And along with his own inspiration, Mahatma Gandhi, we share in these acts if we choose to.

In Cyprus I have only been grateful that the mayhem we see around us in our region is not reflected in our daily lives with more murderous bloodshed, without bombs, and lacking the alarm from this terror which occurs other-where. It is this Hope for Justice which binds us, we have all suffered, i think that each in our own way do not want a military on the island, and i hope we can live this doctrine as an example of what is possible if we believe.

I put this topic in the Cyprus Problem discussion because we need to reflect how to bring about change. We need to be inspired because this is the time for change. The appalling silence of good people who must make this change in the face of people of ill will is a demonstration of how intolerance can make better use of time. There is no good time and no bad time for action, he said. Mr. King's fight for integration is not won, even if there is desegregation, his cause for HumanKind's betterment is far from over because the cause of this Ignorance remains.

Our fight continues, and on this day I would like you to reflect, on how you can demonstrate this commitment to non-violence yourself.

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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind... Williams James (1842-1910)

Cyprus: three goverments; one Capital and Free.

The trouble is, "Greek" Cypriots aren't Greek

ufqnhd...however, there is such a thing as margins of scale; think in the long run, and in terms of living, after all, Cyprus is an island. maybe we are better off having English our Official Language, having Greek and Turkish as the 'primary' languages that this State can provide, allowing in the future for it's fluency in other languges as well. we are better off without adversarial regimes as they exist today, who occupy our thoughts with fear, and who usurp our Basic Human Rights by serving interlocutory appeals rather than the interest of the island and Humanity. This is the big difference I see with Makarios and Denktash, as leaders, and what followed; I am convinced in the two hundred years to follow, they will be revered as heros, by all Cypriots, whatever ethnicity, because in the end, their acts were for this island and its dwellers, not the Nationalism which drove them to be divided like counterweights on a scale. but both kept their eye on the single fulcrum and they were in the end united to be in its service, commited to a single cause.

It was TPap who said, as a young man, that it was impossible to imagine the island of Cyprus without a Turkish Cypriot population, that they were scattered over the whole island like grains of sand scattered over a map. Nothing more beautiful, or poetic, can be said to deduce the truth. The island requires its repopulation. Justice requires that we start with a fact like this.

i say some bad things happened, i say we got engineered, so that the sand gets blown away and the map gets torn.

I say forget about sand, scatter jewels (the enclaves), build on the value it will provide to both Societies, they (the"Greeks" and the "Turks") will provide for themselves first, of course, but they will be providing toward a population that is mobile and who's demographic can be expected to change dramatically over time as well. Although mutually exclusive, neither can ignore the other, neither can act in a manner having malice, and both are subjct to a Sovereign State, being, a reformed, Republic of Cyprus. nothing is wrong for there to exist, a Cyprus which is "Greek", or a Cyprus which is "Turkish", but for these choices to exist all Cypriots must have an identity as one, equal in their love, and equal in their commitment toward defending its Sovereignty, as an island, and as the island's dwellers, self sustaining their respect, as Turkish Cypriots and as Greek Cypriots, together, and as Cypriots, mutually; three governments, bi-communal, for their Rights as Individuals, as well as their Rights as Persons.

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Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, Free

isolation, Cypriots; from each other.

erolz wrote:

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"Getting a Republic of Cyprus passport as a Turkish Cypriot if you do not already have one anyway is a practical thing for Turkish Cypriot that wish to travel and certainly since EU entry getting such from the Republic of Cyprus has increased by large amounts. Choosing to live in the Republic of Cyprus and not the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a Turkish Cypriot is much more political a choice and the benefits of doing so as a Turkish Cypriot have not changed much since before Republic of Cyprus EU entry or after it. I do not think there have been Turkish Cypriot pouring into the Republic of Cyprus to live from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus since EU accession myself"

....here is the crux.

By allowing Greek Cypriots a form of representation of self governance as a majority, the State, the Republic of Cyprus, frees itself from the bias of demographics that are overwhelming. Each National Assembly, one Turcophone and one Grecophone, will serve it's citizens as equals, each will have the responsibility to be credible as inclusive societies, respecting and recognisung the special needs of minorities amongst them. The State, as our sovereign representative, in this manner becomes stronger, better able to defend us in our external affairs, and our Individual Rights.

Land is the issue right now.
Forwhich I suggest the addition of enclaves, this time without shame, into our geography: Bizonal.

Politically, the solution has been staring at us in the face since 1960. Now that ENOSIS is won, with the introduction of the Euro a few days ago, we can say EOKA is no more. I hope the TMT will be no more as well, never forgotten, but a part of the past. Denktash and Makarios can be heros, because in the end they chose Cyprus first, and I believe they wanted the best for us. But it is up to us to look at the foundation, its original principals are strong. Thus, our modernisation, and the reform of the Constitution, from it's advent is the basis of any sustainable solution. My proposal is simple and easy to understand. One State, Two National Assemblies: Bicommunal.
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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.

What Cyprus Needs is a Treaty between Greece and Turkey

Truly the question should be is Greece a threat to Turkey. They are adversaries because they are neighbours with borders without clear divides. They are adversaries because of the bloody past between them. And they are adversaries because at present each acts in a manner that excludes the other.

Remember the earthquakes?

In that grain of an event nothing more fundamental than the Human element was exposed. How different are they? And in dollars and cents their social-exchange would be most profitable. Think what prosperity can be promoted if these two counterparts allied. Toward the lesser States, a Free Trade Treaty like this commands their attention because of the margin of scale it can establish.

What about a Free Trade Agreement?

As a confidence building measure it has implications which would resound internationally, with Greece as a bulwark for democracy with its continued support for Turkey's membership into the EU, and for Turkey, greater credibility as a leader, able in world affairs.

Both Greece and Turkey need to change themselves to prepare for this new Age, which demands inclusivity. Their example will leave them as the dominant regional players with the ability to be it's representative. As an example further abroad, to their allies in France for example, much debate will be considered, even in their own internal affairs. As an atmosphere, negociations about the Cyprus Problem can focus on the needs of its island dwellers, rather than the issues that cloud the relations among Greeks and Turks.

your observations, please

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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.