Turkish Envoy Causes...

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...i would ask Mr. Tezcan if in Turkey, there are examples of this "Integration" he suggests is lacking toward Immigrants in Europe.

...he should do well learning that there exists identities of Persons, but that in Modern States, as Individuals the People stand united for a Greatness that goes beyond their Nations.

in my humble opinion Ataturk rumbles in his grave, with what Kemalists are doing. it is a stagnation of thought that has left them divided, unstable, looking eastward without a western face

Why Multiculturalism Doesn't Work

...yup, mobility.

welcome to the Human race.

sorry arse, get used to the cold wind
we'rd would blow, tain't Kansas anymore.

English. do you know there is an ethnosphere?
nearly extinct, and more devastating; ecosphere (lol)
and yet, not being constructive, playful, no society
here, is embracing the Information Age with their efforts
for language, their language more transparent to many.

there is the melting pot, and mosaics, choose
your giving, welcoming the rest of the world
and engineer what is in science, right. not "Greek"
not "Turkish" if we
resist the fear, we do not forget the reason
men (and women) die, that there are greater
enemies amongst ourselves.

we are lucky, being
bicommunal, but we haven't figured what it means
what when we embrace the future imagine
arab greekcypriots, jewish turkishcypriot; what's
wrong with that? what's wrong with arab turkishcypriots, and jewish greekcypriots? think three, or four thousand
years ago, think not so long ago. we survive
because we are facilitators for three continents'
social exchange; this is Cypriot.

no need to bore you, but read my manifesto.

cheers!

Todays visit to Famagusta-very depressing.....

...my family stayed because they believed in their neighbours, many, my uncles and cousins disappeared, but that does not diminish my love for those who love as well, only the murderers that they have to live with, now, who chose this opportunity to plunder.

...and, i know that we are still friends (even with the gates closed we found ways to communicate), close to our village, our customs, and our land.

we were not "greeks"or "turks", we were farmers, we sustained ourselves, respectful and giving people, a "mixed" village according to the subjugators who came and went.

indeed, politics was a world away, even with modern devices, we did not stray, and to this day we do not forget; it is unfortunate that turkey is no stranger to denial, even the treaty of lausanne, i believe. cash has no value without Justice, i root for the displaced who like myself choose to deny the privelage of either side to dismiss the acts which left us victims. things can't go back to the way they were, facts on the ground, things cannot stay the same, but for some at least, like the citizens of Famagusta, we ask to return as communities. you don't like greeks bir, if they are like the turks i don't like then we don't like the same people, i'd bet.

...you don't even have to be cypriot to feel that way. and most importantly the Constitution for our State, should respect these Human Values, this basically is what cannot be refused. Within a Unitary State, two National Assemblies which have as components a number of constituencies: that's BBF.

cheers!

...oh and, please read my manifesto.

(thanks.)

TC teachers offer Greek lessons

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=532114#५३२११४


...in a society such as that in Cyprus, one would hope that their government can sustain a multi-cultural ability; english, greek, french, turkish, why not maronite, (and armenian)। with the Information Age, we will have to learn to compete by producing the Bits and Bytes its process demands। thus, Having many (or several) Official Languages allows a Society to increase this quantity by refining their functionality so that their usage, one with the other is transparent, if Cypriots think futuristicly, they must prepare themselves to be functional in as many languages as possible: this is Bicommunal ;a commitment which was made on the Principal that all men are equal, and that our equality is measured by the diversity of our traits। ...with language there is land, and in the end: there will be National Assemblies, and enclaves spotting the entire island; ...think what we can do sustaining ourselves as Persons if instead of tearing the island into two adversarial forces, there exists a diversity of populations within each of the elected bodies to compete for its attentions। as a People, as Cypriots, as this island's dwellers; its Steward. represented by a State; one hopes that it leads in defending our Rights as Individuals, and that we emulate as people, as a People, as equals in a fight, for these Rights and their betterment. ...since we spoke of the Armed Forces, one would hope that there will be "Turks" as well as "Sri Lankens" in its roster, with an ability to react quickly as a global partner, and to contribute the acute actions that would be necessary to mitigate the suffering caused by natural disaster and human turmoil. poh pooh on that guy who calls himselfMuslimand doesn't wantto fight other Muslims in my Cyprus. The enemy is: Ignorance, lawless plunder, natural disaster, ...and any interlocutor who seeks our subjugation; not "greeks" not "turks", but any body of people who dismiss the Sovereignty of Cypriots on Cyprus. ...you guys don't seem to grasp the demographics of this island even in the medium term (90 years); forget the short term (fifty years), as the builders of a new Constitution. ...if this is the "Birth" that Mr. Talat was talking about he was not wrong... op, english is not fine. english is the biggest threat, to the diversity of Humanity's Peoples. Greek, which is so functional as a language hopefully is experiencing a revival because with its population dwindling, relative to the total population of the earth, it will become all the more difficult to sustain. let's not forget that 90% of the world's population speaks English, but let's remember that 90% of this population has a mother tongue which is not english.

...please read, reread my manifesto, enclaves is not a dirty word, the population of Cyprus is 12 million।

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News from Northern Cyprus

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...for the first time in a long time, i have not read two speeches one conjoined to the other, that demonstrate what makes an end to the solitudes of this people now isolated from each other so impossible three months from now, with the start of 2009.

However within the components of these speeches we have clues as to how a Federal system of government will divide the Jurisdictions, between itself and the National Assemblies which must be created for there to exist a Bicommunal nature in our politic, a Principal we are commited to as a State.

the issue of missing persons
education
Cypriot Patrimony
"property issue", the displaced
isolation

these are issues that are important to both parties, albeit from different perspectives.

"As the Turkish Cypriot side, we want to establish a new partnership state in Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples and which is composed of two constituent states of equal status. We believe that Cyprus could be unified under such a framework and that we can stand before the world with a single international identity", says Talat.

Christofias said, that Turkey must contribute to the process in a positive way, adding that he expects Ankara to rise to the occasion and fulfil its obligations arising from its efforts to join the EU. Turkey refuses to recognise the ‘Republic of Cyprus’, which joined the EU in May 2004, and has yet to open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot flagged vessels and aircraft, as demanded by the EU.

thus: two National Assemblies, one State; three governments, one Cyprus.

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Williams James (1842-1910)

WHAT A MESS

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... whatever the form, I can only see this Qualification (TC or GC) as a way for the authorities (as a single government bicommunal State) to serve this newborn better in the future.

The child is born Cypriot. Many have attested to this in this thread, through their own identity cards.

...having any other choice is what surprises me., (same, same, other)
and if, for whatever reason, two Greek Cypriots decide to claim their child is Turkish Cypriot in another incident, has society a reason to restrict this choice, should it consider promoting these values for its own diversity, or should it act to defend these individuals and their Freewill (simply put) against malice.

zan, it seems you want a perfect system by pointing fingers,...
very few systems are perfect.

...when a man has a panel that needs fixing, and he has many panels,
do you tell him to tear it all out,
without thinking of modernising? (and the cost)
your soul is bruised forever, mine too
there is the panel.

i do wish you would reconsider your view on land usage
at issue is redress to all the displaced, not money
acts. humility and Grace
what is better than communities reborn?
and what is wrong with enclaves?

Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=332895#332895


In our modern State, the intent of having enclaves is not segregation. Rather it is the integration of the seperate systems which presently exist. Nowhere in the Republic will there exist an exclusivity which limits residency. However, the Jurisdiction of the National Assemblies will have an implicit obligation as a majority (as well as explicit obligations as a Government) to represent their inclusiveness as a society; providing their services in a primary language first, but with the ability to sustain an equal service, for the special needs of the minorities that are amongst them.

Enclaves will mean more diversity in each culture, and as a whole, Cypriots can see themselves as a socialistic people. In the most cynical applications, enclaves will become development projects by these governmental authorities for a monetary gain much like profit. However, as communities they will still grow and distinguish themselves with their own unique identities.

Magnus and O (who knows my views already) my first choice is quite like your own, but in a practical sense our choices exclude this option. We are the Vanguard for a kind of social engineering, and it is with this objective that we must define bicommunal and bizonal, so that other (like Palestinians and Isrealis) adversaries may have a model from which they can emulate.

Enclaves does not mean a closed society with its barriers. It has more to do with quality of life, like a township, adding to the variety we have to our pusuit of happiness in our lives.

kurupetos, why would you choose partition? is there another choice that is better?


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good will gesture

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Nikitas wrote:
"let me see now, Nicosia, Larnaca, Paphos, Lakatamia, Ercan, Lefkoniko, Akrotiri, all these are airports in an island of approximately 150 by 60 miles. Best goodwill gesture would be to shut all of them down, renovate Nicosia airport and rehabilitate the rest back to their natural state. Goodwill in our case is offering tangible proof that Cypriots love Cyprus and that involves practical things and not theory."

Taking advantage of this island's geographic position will mean providing for a population of 12 million inhabitants (in 200 years). Becoming this Hub, is natural in a socio-economic sense. It is why Mankind can trace its roots to Neolithic times, here, and in relation to the populations which surround Cyprus this is even more important, because few can demonstrate a Society which has a better Rule of Law and Good Governance, presently.

Having so many airports, (perhaps bigger or more in the future) is an idea which if profitable, may mean enourmous revenues for the State (and its partners) from them, directly, but the consequences some time in the future will require this "point" to be supra militarised, so that yes, for travelers all over the world, they will say, "transfering in Cyprus", (rather than an Airport's name,) going to anywhere ...

...think positively for a second, Turkey, a member of an EU that is 50-100 years older, Jerusalem at peace, and across the wider shore, Africa, free from hunger. Nice picture for us to live in, where we are, huh?

...now imagine the affects of Global Warming (and Ocean Acidification), how will we survive as a desert?

We must become "big" enough in any case to make our island a garden.

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Williams James (1842-1910)

II. HRISOSTOMOS: ‘WE MUST NOT BE AFRAID OF THE PARTITION’

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enclaves in the north for Greek Cypriots living in them, returning as communities. enclaves in the south, a demonstration of the same Goodwill, and to make peace as a demonstration of our respect for Basic Human Rights.

Two National Assemblies, equal in their Rights as Jurisdiction, each with territories where they provide a Service for its majority, through self representation, first for having the capacity to sustain themselves, and with a sense of respect for inclusiveness, able to serve others with the recognition of many minorities, providing for their special needs as well.

in such an environment, a State is called for which Unites us as this island's dwellers, its People, and its Stewards, which is strong, counterbalancing the bias of its demographics to set Universal Standards, now and in the future, to have the capacity to represent as one People, the People, as Cypriots, to defend us as Sovereign in our choices and our rights, and to defend our Individual Rights, with Rights, within a Community.

three governments, ...as Bicommunal as you can get.

go ahead, divide the island into plots, make the deal somewhere between 18-30%, but please, don't do it because its good for "Turks" or "Greeks", do it because it makes all our lives better; more mobility, more expression and most important, more association.

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Williams James (1842-1910)

ECHR: CASE OF SOLOMOU v. TURKEY

Turks in bushes, Turks on the balcony, shots from three directions, civilians with handguns, no show (riot police?) of force in numbers, others injured after the fact by indisciminate shooting, sounds like Turks were prepared for the demonstration in a manner which could only provoke a riot, that could end only with a death.

Turkey denies, Turkey ignores their own lack of discipline, Turkey learns nothing from the incident and allows their "image" to tarnish. Turkey's reform is in stagnation and it is strangling their ability to become a Global partner.

Without the investigation (or Justice), the Army and the State demonstrate an inability to expose incompetance (and/or Criminal behaviour), toward their own betterment. For Turkish citizens, this is important.

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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
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Cypriots cannot run countries

...here is the Modern Condition: an identity to State, as well as to Nation, this the crux which must be defined for our good governance as persons, as well as individuals; an Identity as People, along with an Identity we call our own.

If the world is preparing to change, toward forms of governance which suit Mankind's mobility, Bicommunality becomes very important in this consideration. Cyprus will play a very important role in its definition because we are at the advent.

Quote:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772
...I know it will never happen, but as "perfection", tell me what is wrong with it, what is more Just?.

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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)

Politics and Religion ... Anathema to Both!

i fear God, this i choose. the rest of living is acts, and knowing "the way".

When I am afraid of anything else, i know that this fear can be conquered, and I embrace the changes in myself, with this Grace. (I know, to serve is to be grateful with His gift, that I have Love to give)

Religion and Politics are the same, when they are described as two faces of one coin, gravid images of a power larger than themselves (ourselves); where we came from and where we are going to...

...in my mind, Politics and Religion, (so far) are anathema to God. but i am lucky, having been introduced to Religion by way of the Greek Orthodox Church i like socialistic, and in that sense as well, it is blessing that in Canada my education expanded so that the experience is enriching with other believers, be it Atheists, Wiccans, Native People, Buddhists, etc., in a purpose that is Universal, which includes my own Freewill.

Only recently, in all of Mankind's history, with the Modern Age, have we begun to define the word Humanity. Wrong and inhuman, with the slaughter of millions in the First World War, a generation gave their lives in this Horror, knowing, believing that as Men we could no longer fight ourselves.

"LEST WE FORGET".

And in our Humility, Charity, as Humans, like THEM, we must fight with our life against the real enemy: Hunger, Disaster, Ignorance (now 'Global Warming'), and Disease.


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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
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The British Bases.

Muzzy, thanks for this debate, it is interesting.

...i think that the British Bases are an anomally which can serve a higher purpose if the intelligence they gather there is for our security in an event where the region faces threats. If they are to remain, they must reflect a policy which allows for our cooperation with Turkey, England, and NATO, partners with Cyprus to effect this work.

Turkey's "guarantee" is spurious, its credibility is suspect, because it can be seen to be self-serving. Your fear of "Greek-Cypriots", may have validity, but for the same reasons, "Greek Cypriots" fear the overwhelming size of Turkey. Turkey may have a presence on the island that is welcome, even militarily, but it requires of Turkey a recognition of a Sovereign State, which as equals apply themselves to a common goal.



The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)

POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS

If there is a United Republic of Cyprus, which identifies it citizens as equals, Sovereign, in its defence of their Individual Rights and the land, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots through two National Assemblies can find the expression of their indentity as Persons to effect their behaviour as Societies. United all the dwellers stand for
Human Betterment, and apart, they will demonstrate this resolve, as their own distinct majority, in effecting these changes with their own abilities, in providing for the special needs of all minorities amongst them.

...a "northern" economy can exist, just as a "southern", however, with a better redistribution of the land, by adding enclaves to the geography, we will add to the diversity of each economy as constituent bodies. rather than tearing the island in two, we allow ourselves a chance to have no "border", although many frontiers, greater Freedom of Association, more Movement and Expression, restitution for Turkish Cypriots and for Greek Cypriots reciprocally with the return of all displaced a right, while for some return as communities, and homes for Settlers not houses, to those who will be displaced, and who have this claim by being Cypriot.

scary, huh?

Cyprus is an island. We are merely its dwellers, its Steward, whether we identify our selves as something else as well, we are Cypriots. There is dignity in that, by our Grace. This island's trees, rocks and relics, are far more important, than the pleasure we can get from it in a lifetime. It may be that our influence remains, one way or the other there is a price to pay in any act we choose, but our intention is far more important.

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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.

The Turkish Cypriot failure at Buergenstock.

the Bicommunal conundrum is this: where is "Greek" first, and where is "Turkish" first.

...i suggest the line stays where it is and enclaves are added to the geography for the redistribution of the land, so that Two National Assemblies provide for the Citizen's displaced, and those that will be displaced, can have a sense of Justice with what is offered to them; so that in this defining act we can act as equals, in a strong central government, which defends us as Individuals, and is Sovereign in protecting our Individual Rights.

ONLY GREEK CYPRIOTS VOTE

...from a position of strength, one defines their demands, in an adversarial politic.

miltiades is suggesting that it is possible to break this viscious cycle, with a debate which seeks in its resolution, our realisation that in Principal we are not enemies, we are this island's dwellers, and in acts, a demonstration of our desire to unite in war against our own Ignorance, to better ourselves, against the enemies, Hunger, Disease, and Disaster.

GR is more brash, and practical, who in this debate represents the status quo.

that said, my comment again would be that there exists an equlibrium, which having a dynamic, moves. neither can sustain themselves alone, it seems a Law of Nature, (but the politics can change itself), and they find their function within a wider system. yet:

you choose,

by acts alone does this machination work.

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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.

One Response to “Northern Cyprus and Northern Kosovo

One Response to “Northern Cyprus and Northern Kosovo”
repulsewarrior Says: May 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm

…the people of Cyprus can identify themselves as Cypriots, I hope, because it is an island afterall. Like ‘Kosovo’, the history of the place is far more complex than the Interlocutors would have us imagine. I can only hope that the “easy” solution of tearing this island in two is not the agreement they come to, and as in Kosovo, my hope is that the people who share the land and its Patrimony respect the efforts of those who left this Heritance, in an effort toward betterment, embraced the change within themselves to be as Individuals united in an inclusive State, while as Persons sustaining themselves.

Bi-communal in the greater Serbian context requires the efforts of Bosnia (Herzegovina), along with Serbia, as well as Kosovo, historically, if we are to compare apples with apples. As in Cyprus, or in the Middle East (Jerusalem), the land and its identity has evolved to have many facets. Two levels of Government will successfully realise the goal of People as Nations in these context. Unlike the Nationalism which is at present demonstrating our intolerance, the Nationalism of Ataturk and the founder Napoleon III, will provide for us an identity where our distinctions add to our sense of unity, because we choose to stand together, for our attachment toward our own governance as equals and to the land’s relics.

Cyprus/Turkey image: Acts; to be seen and Justice

...if there are mosques in the south
that are no more... then allow them
to be included in the shame.

of course there is
no God, and in faith there seems
to be only a Creed, and yet
your acts VP surprise me ...so dogmatic.
it is tragic because the
wealth will be divided
with what you plea
what makes our island
rich will be broken.

are you a Cypriot?

desegregation: see manifesto: for your consideration

I don't disagree with you OP, but to facilitate integration, beyond desegregation the balance requires the consideration of people as Individuals and as Persons without the bias which comes from overwhelming majorities. The distinctions act as a countervailing force against extremes. It is a cumbersome political system, compared to the purity and simplicity of your desire, except that the population of Cyprus will have to grow in to this one, while it defends all of us equally, its characteristic of sustaining a Greekness and a Turkishness will have no affect on the Government's credibility in terms of a Cypriot's representation.

King Assassinated Today

Martin Luther King said that you can never stop. His tactic of non violence grew to a boycott which for month's on end would not sway, provoked, his house was bombed, his wife and his daughter, he remained unswayed, until he was shot in 1968. Does the civil rights movement exist? It is there, and it has changed the lives of people all over the world. He is gone, he gave us this dream, that Freedom would Reign from the mountaintops everywhere, along with the mud flats of the Mississippi. And along with his own inspiration, Mahatma Gandhi, we share in these acts if we choose to.

In Cyprus I have only been grateful that the mayhem we see around us in our region is not reflected in our daily lives with more murderous bloodshed, without bombs, and lacking the alarm from this terror which occurs other-where. It is this Hope for Justice which binds us, we have all suffered, i think that each in our own way do not want a military on the island, and i hope we can live this doctrine as an example of what is possible if we believe.

I put this topic in the Cyprus Problem discussion because we need to reflect how to bring about change. We need to be inspired because this is the time for change. The appalling silence of good people who must make this change in the face of people of ill will is a demonstration of how intolerance can make better use of time. There is no good time and no bad time for action, he said. Mr. King's fight for integration is not won, even if there is desegregation, his cause for HumanKind's betterment is far from over because the cause of this Ignorance remains.

Our fight continues, and on this day I would like you to reflect, on how you can demonstrate this commitment to non-violence yourself.

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Cyprus: three goverments; one Capital and Free.

Here’s the “demilitarization” program Cyprus REALLY needs...

[quote="Oracle"]

[quote="repulsewarrior"]mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a purpose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.[/quote]

I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.[/quote]


ella OP use your imagination...

the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.

geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.

human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.

these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?

to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. our military forces, along with Turkey's, and others, like Greece and the US are better serving their interests when they build amongst themselves the lines of communication that working as allies involves. As "peacekeepers" it would be hard to imagine a "safer" place in the world.

certainly, it will be easier to build a supramilitarised capacity here, than to demilitarise the island because of its utmost importance to Turkey's defence, and because to the other interlocutors, leaving it to Cypriots exclusively seems to be entirely out of the question.

Turkey is, and will remain, in my opinion the greatest threat to all the parties that have concern in the region, with this 'floating aircraft carrier'. It has a powerful force by size and equipment, with the ambition to be dominant and to lead internationally, while its position in the geo-political spheres remains obscured by an inability to overcome the forces that oppose it, as it is risking stagnation with and inability to embrace change.

most importantly, only Malta is a smaller player, whatever 'we' can do to defend ourselves, very little can be done proportionally and by force
....although...

I think world politics is coming full circle from the denial we came to with the failings of the Great War, and the politics which came with that blind eye, ...like Grivas, a hero to guerrillas everywhere, not unlike Che who revered him, and who followed, we have Bin Laden, and his shame. all in the denial of our will to plunder as though it is valueless, life, unless it is exploited, and that it must belong. you won't get this, i know, but i'm glad to say it, i remember, i will not forget, i made that oath, to those boys who fell in their millions, for this cause, long before there was a State to think about, called Cyprus, for our Freedom, for this horror to end, through Grace. Cyprus is a way.

And it is up to us to demonstrate the Humanity that all Mankind can emulate, in their esteem.

PRESIDENT TALAT CALLS ON CHRISTOFIAS TO RESUME NEGOTIATIONS

it is why i stress the need for three governing bodies: one which is Sovereign over the representation of the people united without consideration, equal, where this State defends their Individual Rights, without compromise, and two National Assemblies, who have Jurisdiction over the infrastructure which it will provide in its territory to its citizens equally in a manner where persons, as a majority can demonstrate their respect and recognition of minorities amongst them, while they act in a manner that will sustain themselves.

partition or unity

DT. wrote:

GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
I'd still would like to know what my fellow GC's feel about question I have posed. As I stated I'd prefer a united cyprus but not the way Turkey and Talat see it. I want one government with each person getting one vote.

"What I would prefer and what I would vote for are 2 different thing. I'd prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation. WHat I'd probably vote for as a compromise would be a fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive."

Please read...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

...none of us will get what is. something completely different is necessary.

we are responsible for a great deal of tragedy, and as we all know there is no price that can be put on a Human, life. If we deny their love, the dead and missing, the hatred which grew to take their lives away wins. It is our responsibility to leave a Heritance, to the rest of Mankind. It has come to this: As Cypriots, as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, as Jews and Sri Lankans and Moronites etc. we require an identity to this island's fate.

most importantly it cannot be forgotten that, as Greeks or as Turks we have no right to its Patrimony which has existed for millenia, long before our own introduction, and I imagine, long after we are gone as well.
...as its Steward, we cannot betray this Trust.

so choose wisely, when the time comes, "partition" or "unity", because chances are that that will be the question in our next Referendum.

and as writers, i'm asking you guys, ladies and animals, to carry on with the comedy, as it is funny to read (mostly), but, to accord the most important among us, the anonymous reader to believe that we are serious, that we have at heart, the need for dialog, to create something better, perhaps which will change the world.

"prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation", ...here is perfection.

"fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive",....here is OUR Quest.

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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.

The trouble is, "Greek" Cypriots aren't Greek

ufqnhd...however, there is such a thing as margins of scale; think in the long run, and in terms of living, after all, Cyprus is an island. maybe we are better off having English our Official Language, having Greek and Turkish as the 'primary' languages that this State can provide, allowing in the future for it's fluency in other languges as well. we are better off without adversarial regimes as they exist today, who occupy our thoughts with fear, and who usurp our Basic Human Rights by serving interlocutory appeals rather than the interest of the island and Humanity. This is the big difference I see with Makarios and Denktash, as leaders, and what followed; I am convinced in the two hundred years to follow, they will be revered as heros, by all Cypriots, whatever ethnicity, because in the end, their acts were for this island and its dwellers, not the Nationalism which drove them to be divided like counterweights on a scale. but both kept their eye on the single fulcrum and they were in the end united to be in its service, commited to a single cause.

It was TPap who said, as a young man, that it was impossible to imagine the island of Cyprus without a Turkish Cypriot population, that they were scattered over the whole island like grains of sand scattered over a map. Nothing more beautiful, or poetic, can be said to deduce the truth. The island requires its repopulation. Justice requires that we start with a fact like this.

i say some bad things happened, i say we got engineered, so that the sand gets blown away and the map gets torn.

I say forget about sand, scatter jewels (the enclaves), build on the value it will provide to both Societies, they (the"Greeks" and the "Turks") will provide for themselves first, of course, but they will be providing toward a population that is mobile and who's demographic can be expected to change dramatically over time as well. Although mutually exclusive, neither can ignore the other, neither can act in a manner having malice, and both are subjct to a Sovereign State, being, a reformed, Republic of Cyprus. nothing is wrong for there to exist, a Cyprus which is "Greek", or a Cyprus which is "Turkish", but for these choices to exist all Cypriots must have an identity as one, equal in their love, and equal in their commitment toward defending its Sovereignty, as an island, and as the island's dwellers, self sustaining their respect, as Turkish Cypriots and as Greek Cypriots, together, and as Cypriots, mutually; three governments, bi-communal, for their Rights as Individuals, as well as their Rights as Persons.

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isolation, Cypriots; from each other.

erolz wrote:

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"Getting a Republic of Cyprus passport as a Turkish Cypriot if you do not already have one anyway is a practical thing for Turkish Cypriot that wish to travel and certainly since EU entry getting such from the Republic of Cyprus has increased by large amounts. Choosing to live in the Republic of Cyprus and not the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a Turkish Cypriot is much more political a choice and the benefits of doing so as a Turkish Cypriot have not changed much since before Republic of Cyprus EU entry or after it. I do not think there have been Turkish Cypriot pouring into the Republic of Cyprus to live from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus since EU accession myself"

....here is the crux.

By allowing Greek Cypriots a form of representation of self governance as a majority, the State, the Republic of Cyprus, frees itself from the bias of demographics that are overwhelming. Each National Assembly, one Turcophone and one Grecophone, will serve it's citizens as equals, each will have the responsibility to be credible as inclusive societies, respecting and recognisung the special needs of minorities amongst them. The State, as our sovereign representative, in this manner becomes stronger, better able to defend us in our external affairs, and our Individual Rights.

Land is the issue right now.
Forwhich I suggest the addition of enclaves, this time without shame, into our geography: Bizonal.

Politically, the solution has been staring at us in the face since 1960. Now that ENOSIS is won, with the introduction of the Euro a few days ago, we can say EOKA is no more. I hope the TMT will be no more as well, never forgotten, but a part of the past. Denktash and Makarios can be heros, because in the end they chose Cyprus first, and I believe they wanted the best for us. But it is up to us to look at the foundation, its original principals are strong. Thus, our modernisation, and the reform of the Constitution, from it's advent is the basis of any sustainable solution. My proposal is simple and easy to understand. One State, Two National Assemblies: Bicommunal.
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Kosovo Canada and the Nation State

Cyprus has committed itself to a bi-communal bi-zonal federation. It implies that one or three governments will exist for the peoples' governance, (as bi-zonal implies each zone a sum of parts). The existence of a State, and two National Assemblies seems to be an inviting alternative to the idea that people must be divided along their ethnic lines, exclusively. Kosovars and the Serbs, even the Israelis and the Palestinians, can take a page from this consideration. Their citizens need Free Association, Expression and Movement, which can only be guaranteed when weighed by countervailing forces.

As global partners Mankind is moving to a forefront where equality among all people precludes the fight against real enemies, such as ignorance, famine, and disease. Needless to say that the idea of Nationalism has changed a great deal, from its roots as a political tool of Napoleon III. And it must evolve to be a force which continues as an adversarial regime, which unites people toward common cause, without any bias. Each "Nation", in all these cases (Canadians as well) represent their respect and recognition of other "Nations", unified in a State to sustain the principals all Humans cherish, having as a function, as one People, their betterment.

It seems that this idea is lost to these players, having at their roots a cause which continues its machination, the Cold War which seems dead, and the fight against Fascism which seems won. Futuristicly, these countries have the greatest opportunity to change the world, and the world, as far as people are concerned, will be changed regardless.

The president's meeting in Tseri

LOL!!!

as living things we can tear at eat other as though we are a deadly bacteria feeding on a host. and like lambs and/or lions we can sit together when our bellies are full, or when there is a fire that threatens us both. but beyond biology, theories, facts and truth there is Humanity. this power to reason, an obligation to choose, and to embrace the changes we can make, our acts come from learning, as a challenge to fear.

neither, which is desired, or which is feasible, are sustainable in this case, neither is correct. and if the Truth is found, based on Universal thinking, that which is clear and easy to understand, we will have agreement, and the settlement of the Problem based on principal which is uncompromised, a representation of us as Human Beings, working for our own betterment by bettering the condition of Mankind, will have the power to change the world, a greater Cyprus, if you will.

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What Cyprus Needs is a Treaty between Greece and Turkey

Truly the question should be is Greece a threat to Turkey. They are adversaries because they are neighbours with borders without clear divides. They are adversaries because of the bloody past between them. And they are adversaries because at present each acts in a manner that excludes the other.

Remember the earthquakes?

In that grain of an event nothing more fundamental than the Human element was exposed. How different are they? And in dollars and cents their social-exchange would be most profitable. Think what prosperity can be promoted if these two counterparts allied. Toward the lesser States, a Free Trade Treaty like this commands their attention because of the margin of scale it can establish.

What about a Free Trade Agreement?

As a confidence building measure it has implications which would resound internationally, with Greece as a bulwark for democracy with its continued support for Turkey's membership into the EU, and for Turkey, greater credibility as a leader, able in world affairs.

Both Greece and Turkey need to change themselves to prepare for this new Age, which demands inclusivity. Their example will leave them as the dominant regional players with the ability to be it's representative. As an example further abroad, to their allies in France for example, much debate will be considered, even in their own internal affairs. As an atmosphere, negociations about the Cyprus Problem can focus on the needs of its island dwellers, rather than the issues that cloud the relations among Greeks and Turks.

your observations, please

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...is it opportunism or realism?


1.) In the Courts of England it is said that the Republic of Cyprus is sovereign over the whole island.

2.) Their identity with their possessions would not be any different to anyone else on this planet, therefore why not sell your land.

3.)After over thirty years, as a State, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has very little, as much credibility as it started with. Turkish Cypriots, may have a form of self-representation, yet they still remain subject to Turkey. In this state, they remain unfree, worse, they are demeaned by a demographic where they are marginalised, and a toponomy which assimilates them, dependant on the subsidy of this one State whose occupation of their land seems without end. Why not sell the land which remains yours? There is little chance that a "clear title" to the land given to you will be recognised by anyone else but the entity, and its Army, underwhich you must live.

Certainly, this reaction by the legislating body, is an admission that the land overwhich they have made a claim, founded on an illegal act, remains an occupation, that there is a compensation to be paid, and that a reciprocal act could occur, Greek Cypriots may choose to sell their land to Turkish Cypriots, if unoccupied, ignoring this Assembly's authority over its Titleship.

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the way forward/battling a mountain of prejudice.

Can you imagine a population of 12 million?

That is the future. Two hundred years from now where will we be; this is the thinking that we need.

Realisticly, we must look around us and see, firstly, what is normal, and then accept our sins, come out of this isolation, seek to become something better, which prepares us to be more inclusive, a dynamic part of a system which expands globally.

Whether Cyprus can be identifed as "Greek", and/or "Turkish", is not an issue which the world dwells on, rather it is an internal matter which we must resolve. Turkey, and its influence on our affairs is to be recognised. However, being a State, as great as it is, it cannot refuse to recognise the Republic of Cyprus if somehow its people choose to create a Constitution for their self representation, having with it the terms for the Turkish Army's disengagement, with an end to the occupation, hopefully an alliance which secures graeter stability for the region (and the world), as well as greater security for the Turkish State.

Cyprus is an island. It can be divided in many ways, but on it live Cypriots. To deny that is to ignore what Humanity is learning: we are all the same, no better than the trees or the ground we walk on.
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united cyprus platform took place in Istanbul...#76818

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : united cyprus platform took place in Istanbul...#76818

1)...a new political party that runs a campaign for election on both sides of the green line could help if the issues it supports clearly are the concern of the electorate as people, rather than members of a cultural community.
2)...perhaps independant of government, an assembly of people for the reformation of the Constitution, of the Republic of Cyprus.
...having seperate assemblies for the reform of the Turkish Cypriot Constitution and the creation of a Greek Cypriot Constitution for the realisation of a Bi-Communal strategy toward our governance.
That is to say...
We shallseek a State to unify us, where we represent ourselves as a People, [the Republic of Cyprus, (which has English as its first language and three official languages)] inclusive and hegemonous, a member of the EU, and the Family of Man, equal as two, (or three, if you include the Maronites) founding peoples, unlike today, the electorate having two (or three) national identities representing them, each citizen equal as individuals, and equal in their vote.
As well as two (or three) National identities, having territory over which these people have sovereignty, with their form of government for the sustenance of each, respectful to the minorities amongst them, with their recognition, and the acceptance that, to serve includes peoples of other languages, with special needs, who are always fewer, so that all dwellers are equal in either homogenous mass.
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Three Governments; Bi-Communal...
Being Bi-Zonal, having many parts; in support of enclaves, cantons, like spots which cover the whole island, so that settlers can have homes(what they were promised), and many displaced may return to their homes, as communities (without destroying the fabric of the community which surrounds them).

... two ideas which I hope you will want to discuss.

halloumi at NATO?

NATO would be well served with Cyprus as a member. The failure with Makarios was intricately linked to the geo-political activity of the moment...but times have changed.

In essence, I believe that the way forward for us, is the supermilitarisation of the island. To demilitarise, we must become an island that serves the interests of many, so that the interest of one, Turkey, is not merely diluted, but satisfied, its security assured.

That is the point of my musings with a Treaty of Defense, between the two adversaries, the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, without which their will be more costly and detrimental affects on both, and to Mankind in general.

Like the deer and the lion, they lay down together, when their bellies are full, or when there is fire. It is not hard to imagine that Turkey will find in Greece a people not unlike themselves. The will to better ourselves is universal, the world has become a very small place.

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the liberator...has passed

Thank-you chapfallen, your comments are to the point, you make me laugh.
...I said two hundred years from now, but for now I will say, my sentiments exactly.

To compare Denktash to Ecevit is to compare the wily sparrow to the crow. But no one, has obstructed the UN in its attempts at resolution of our problem more, than Denktash. This is a credit to him, and I hope that soon, the border he chose to open will become the gateways to the end of this impasse. When civilians, mobile, enjoy the island, for all it has to give, it will be, normal.

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are surely the same resilient people that they were over two hundred years ago, a common ground will be found where they stand united as equals.

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...What do Greek Cypriots really want?...

I think both communities must take a closer look at themselves because neither gives a minority any rights, or recognition. Anyone can see that neither has the Constitutional where with all to be inclusive.

The reform, being comprehensive must be unlike the plans which have failed, and reasoned to be bi-zonal, not divided in two, and bi-communal, not two communities. With goodwill, the compassion to know what this means denies the will of each Nation as adversaries and compels them to act as people.

I say we need three governments, and one capital. Bi-zonal; having many parts, and bi-communal; together as equals, and apart.

Call me a Greek Cypriot, and this is what I want.


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the best solution is

So here we are again... the best solution is...

Gotta think of the settlers, ...sorry you can't just blow them away.

There are tens of thousands, if not a hundred thousand, (of us) who still have a desire to return, to care for, and be close to their land, even if it means displacement after having waited for fifty to some thirty years.

The right of return cannot be ignored either and for the same reasons.

Mankind all Mankind desire their individual freedom, holding this with the highest esteem: the freedom of movement, expression and association. The Modern World, consists of these elements and a rule of law which extends the responsibility of it defense to society, as a whole, through democratic choice. There is no difference on this island, because all people are equal in this assumption.

A Republic of Cyprus exists. It is maturing to be a country with a high level of socio-economic achievement, even in dysfunction. It is possible to reform its Constitution, and it is necessary, to be in conformity with its membership to the EU, and yet most importantly, to realise a State with its support from the citizenry as a whole.

I see the word enclave twisted on its head, in my Cyprus. In my mind there is a Turkish Cypriot enclave [call it Canton (among several in the south)] right next to Paphos. I see the village of Komi Kebir, an important crossroad for Greek Cypriots, as well. I see our cities, rich, with the meeting, the sights and the smells, of East and West, beyond the imagination of white men or brown men.

What is wrong with these jewels scattered over the island; does it not add to each culture's vitality? Does it not solve the settler's shame, with a home to call their own? Does it not allow for the right of return, as communities? Can it not be a basis to define the word bi-zonal? Fixing the proportions, without moving the border; two territories without splitting the island in two.

There should be a bicameral legislature for our Federal Government: a Lower House of representation by independents, one elected from each riding, ...and an Upper House where there are an equal number of seats, for Turkish Cypriots, as for Greek Cypriots. In this House, Parties campaign, to have elected their representatives, to win the house majority, and to lead. Citizens, each have to choose, one Greek Cypriot representative, and one Turkish Cypriot representative, from two slates. This is bi-communal. If the Lower House fills the seats in the Committees of the (Upper House) Government, then the citizen is assured complete transparency (in this work), Good Government, and a system of Government which can sustain itself.

Add to this mix, two governments: one Greek Cypriot, and one Turkish Cypriot, each with a territory for their jurisdiction, each with their duty to provide for their citizenry an infrastructure, for their daily lives, as communities, and as a people having distinctive qualities, each recognising the rights of their minorities, and each achieving self determination through representation.

And you have an island, to enjoy, and to prosper.

...an example for others torn apart, worth considering.

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What we learn from the Amish

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=70519#70519


In church today, the sermon was about the Amish tragedy of last week. Five of their children were murdered most brutally, and yet their first acts as individuals, and as a community was, first, to forgive. The priest told us of the account he read, the mother of the murderer, welcomed to grieve with them, the harmony that comes from the respect of all living things, and the grace to remain, as giving individuals, faithful to their way of life, and the God that they believe in.

Acts of hatred and intolerance are woeful things. We are unable to understand them. We become these things, as weaker individuals, because reason and charity are the choice we have, we were 'given', unique in the system of living things.The Amish may appear fanatical, in this trust, but they are not. They are the example, to which we aspire, in our loftier moments.

In Cyprus, isolated as it is, being an island, we share in the effect of small communities. Thus the denial, which affects us is all the more hurtful. Let us say that this is God's plan, to begin again, but to hold to the blessing of love. You know that my family has suffered greatly with many disappeared. I know that this is true for all of us. I accept, my responsibility, and I respect this loss by the hope to which I apply myself for life's betterment.

The resolution of our impasse will not come from the blame which may never find closure. In our hearts this black void cannot be filled by revenge. Asking yourself what you deserve to get, offers no relief. Asking ourselves what we have to give may lead to the peace and prosperity that is the best state, as well as our desire.

You see, fanaticism, is not necessarily a bad thing. As individuals, it is what we do with it.


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The best solution is...?

Who cares about stav's opinion, he takes the road which leads to education,...so be helpful, how do you know that this is not an attempt at dividing those with a similar problem (from a different point of view) and those that will choose to be tolerant and reasoned.

I couldn't care less if this is his opinion, just so long as the hatred that goes with a view like that, is abolished from their being. I do my best not to judge people, I choose to do this even if others choose not to this with me. Greek, Turk, or Taliban, such a person, one who speaks with words that are written have at least something, to learn from.

Stav, don't think of Turkey as the enemy, and you will not need Greece for its defense.

Frankly, those Greeks sold Hellenism out, they failed, because they had been corrupted by their own greed, losing their influence in the regional sphere, losing the US bases, Turkey is the regional power, and the world is a different place, because of their blundering. Greece is the Republic of Cyprus's greatest ally and their influence with our membership into the EU is a great symbol of their support.

Cyprus can do better, however, defending itself, by providing to the 90 million Turks, one-tenth of the distance from Greece, and the greatest threat to their security, an ally, not against Greece, but from the destabilising influences in this world today.

I see the supermilitarisation of the island, as dep says, with our membership in NATO, and as a member of the EU with established links toward its security via Britain already, ...it is possible.

Let's have the nukes on the island, but no one is carrying a gun. Offshore military HQ, for the UN and etc. for lease, if you will. You do know that all the worlds communication traffic crosses on our little island, and that our maritime and banking rival the largest in the world.


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Cyprus-Turkey Treaty of Defense...?

The debate has been interesting, and most informative, but the discussion should be focused on the military defense of Turkey, and ending the threat that this State senses from the island of Cyprus. The proposal is a Treaty, necessarily requirng the recognition of the Republic of Cyprus, and its sovereignty over all the island.

The reform of its Constitution is desired by the government of the day. However its resolve to maintain for the vast majority, a Grecophonic nature, must be balanced with the desire of Turkish Cypriots for self determination. Divided and isolated from each other, now for almost fifty years, their lives lack free movement, association, and expression. Much of this is unnatural, and there is the great hope that human behaviour is for social-exchange, and that Denktash will be marked as a hero, maybe two hundred years from now, because he took the first step and opened the border.

Turkey has nothing to fear from these people, united and free from subjugation, to direct their own lives toward prosperity. Cypriots are the people who lead in socialisation, for millenia. They are a people who are inclusive, they are peace loving, and they are welcoming. Cyprus, its vital culture, to survive in this Modern world, must be self governing, because strategically it cannot belong to anyone. This gift the world has promised to them. Turkey's foreign affairs, has this issue, and others to resolve.

A Treaty today provides the most powerful regional economy, exchange, with the largest maritime service, their neighbour, both profiting, gaining long term security, stability, and mutual defense. Part of the comprehensive package, toward ending the Cyprus problem, it is a premise that provides a venue, for an international relation, with Turkey as the benefactor from this esteem.

Cypriots can identify themselves as Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot if and only if the Republic of Cyprus, and its government are free from linquistic (ethnic) bias. As an identity, this reformation must reflect their proportional representation and their equality as founding partners, these peoples. A bi-cameral legislature will provide for this need. As individuals, and as Europeans they can expect a government which allows for their individuality and equality.

Greek Cypriots can look back without despair, if they themselves control a government as their Turkish counterpart, requiring three governments, so that their relations as Cypriots, externally are satisfied by one Government, meeting the norms of a higher authority, and internally, having two Governments to represent these people as communities, providing the service these communities desire, sovereign in their territory, as they please.

I think the greatest fear for Turkish Cypriots, is the possibility of being overwhelmed by the "Greekness" of the vast majority of people living on the island. This will soon be replaced by the fear of so many other peoples who find this little island of value to them personally. Ironically both societies will suffer the same fear unless there are suitable provisions made to accomadate having minorities with seperate needs, by their respective National Assemblies.

In 1974, I remember a map, in the newspaper, the island, the line which divides it in two, and little circles scattered here and there, over all its territory, Makarios and Denktash in one of their meetings, during those heady days. Recently, I read a quote from Mr. Papoudopoulos, (sorry for the spelling) the current President of the Republic, from his youth, describing the population of Turkish Cypriots warmly, as a people whose population was scattered like sand, tossed over a map so that the grains would cover its whole surface. Demographic maps, I have seen, prove this sentiment and the reasoning of their proposals.

I do not propose to replicate the past. However, these notions, indeed resolve much of the anxiety, which comes from the Right of Return, and resettlement, for so many, because it has its historical basis. "Cantons", satelite territories, would add to the balance which would be required so that each of the counterparts, Greek and Turkish, has a majority of people who see themselves this way, within their territory for their self-determination. They provide a setting in which all people can demonstrate their commitment toward Basic Human Rights. New communities will be founded, and in others people will return to their homes, as communities. None will lack service as they prefer, nearby; none will lack a choice for their representation, as they desire. Each gain in the diversity this will add to their respective cultures. Most importantly, the reciprocation of respect by these two adversaries, sustains a benefit, which allows for the inclusiveness our Age requires from each one of us as human beings.

Finally, I would like to add, that Turkey must resolve this political issue, to end the prejudice it causes to its own people, and to be in harmony with the rest of the world's States; a Republic of Cyprus, and all its people Cypriots, must exist, without which there is no peace.

the "price" of the future

Two points I would like to add:

1) using current events as an example, the few who are hezbollah, are they the representative Lebanese citizen? We have disscussed EOKA. EOKA A, and B, Grey Wolves etc. and it is clear that the State is not in their support, although the Government at that time acted adversarialy toward their citizens by dividing their identity, into a majority and a minority.

This I believe will be corrected when negociations reach a conclusion, which is simple to understand, and clear, allowing for each citizen to be a founder, with their vote, as equals. The Republic of Cyprus, to exist must accept that their are two (or three, if Maronites are included), founding peoples.

Each has a right to their self determination as peoples, and each has a right to their individuality, when these communities look at themselves as a whole.

A bicameral parliament allows for this representation, and as a people, there is the precedent: the unused communal assembly; allowing two seperate governing bodies for the internal affairs as citizens.

Greek Cypriots must create this body of government for themselves, just as the Turkish Cypriots have done. Turkophone citizens will hav to renounce their fielty to the Turkish State. We must choose, to free ourselves from subjugation, with Goodwill, believing that, for this comparitively short period of time in our history, we were divided.

2) As for compensation, I suggest that "enclaves" is not a dirty word, and with their existence, Turkish Cypriots will become even more vital, and diversified, in their distinctions, with their introduction in "the south", as communities. "Greek" enclaves reciprocally, will help to resolve the important issue for hundreds of thousands, who remain with hope for justice, and of them, many who wish to feel free, and return to their homes.

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Cyprus-Turkey Treaty of Defense...?

I have considered the importance of Cyprus to the Turkish State. Militarily, it provides substantial consideration toward Turkey's defence.

Significantly, the Cypriot Maritime is one of the largest, and one of the best. Strategically, this traffic involves a significant contribution to the social-exchange from which wealth (and power) is acquired. Two elements play into the Turkish sphere: recognition of the Republic of Cyprus, and the need for Turkey to promote its inclusive nature.

Without the political solution, in Cyprus, that reunites a people of different origins, there will be no demonstration of Turkey's abilities at promoting goodwill. My view is that the repopulation of the island is primordial. It is a clear and easy understand act as correcting a wrong. It is possible because the grain of this idea evolved from the words of its current President a long time ago. He saw the island thus; it's population of Turkish Cypriots scattered over the island like sand tossed over its map.

I lived in a "mixed village", a description I deplore, against our equality as people toward respect, and our service to our land. Taken from hundreds of thousands this dignity. The suffering of Turcophones and the creation of enclaves were the catalyst for the Turkish Cypriot identity, with a need for there own pursuit of self-determination. However, the Grecophone population being much larger, had an element of fanatics, terrorists, who were large enough to endure their failed attemps for ENOSIS, to become an element of constant threat to the government and the State, until 1974, with the result being the impasse that has gone on until today.

My village. its people meet at least once a year, refugees in our own land. It leads me to imagine that whole communities will want to return together.

This is the threat, I believe Turkish Cypriots fear the most.

One standing agreement has been sustained over these years. That is the BBF: Bizonal Bicommunal Federation. Geographically, it will require changes to the present frontier, with a consequence that allows for the incidence of hardship. Without a political solution the instability caused by adversarial relations will preoccupy their affairs internally, leaving these people weakened in their external affairs.

My solution involves the creation of enclaves, if you will. Like jewels they will be scattered over the whole island. The existing frontier can remain the same, and for each comminity there is an enrichment of their diversity. If Greek Cypriots would create for themselves a government like that of the Turkish Cypriots, they would become the counterparts in their citizenry's efforts at betterment, for themselves. Both of these states will require a reciprocating nature, toward minority populations.

The Republic of Cyprus, would be free from the bias it suffers today because it will be inclusive, sovereign in the affairs of all its people as individuals, their representative toward the rest of the world, within the Family of Man. Its Parliament can be bi-cameral, to reflect the nature of the population, proportionally, and as equal founding partners.

It is possible to sign a Treaty of Defense with a State that is recognised...and in the Cypriot imbroglio this is a balance that must be made.

Political Tendencies Of Turkish Cypriots

Language with culture is an internal manner of the State.
The exclusivity we enjoyed being "Greek" or being "Turkish", in isolation, has evolved to become but a facet of our modern lives. Yet un-naturally isolated from each other, we face our inclusion in an organised European political sphere, conflicted.

When we appreciate our need for representation as a sovereign people, individuals, as equals in our abilities, and as founding partners, our representation externally will be welcoming to the nations we serve with.

I have suggested a geographic (jewels, the Cantons, scattered across the whole island), and a political framework which allows for our tremendous growth, as a crossroad between three continents, as well as providing for the Humanitarian needs of our situation. It allows for the resettlement of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people, as migrants or as communities, who have, all these years, lived in an unending limbo, without disrupting the fabric of these two communities.

Our future in Europe now depends on our abilities in competition with other states to evolve from two homogenous populations, to a confluence of people.

In my mind Turkish Cypriots have shown themselves to be prepared to accept a unified state, toward maximising their position internationally. However, it is still necessary for "Greek Cypriots" to recogonise that their identity, as a community, needs its expression, like their counterparts, to be a reflection of their unity, another side of the same coin, if you will, out side the context of the Republic of Cyprus, so that while we live within our own communities, it is free to serve in our defense as individuals.

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injustice

Easy RudeGal, Cypriot got your craw by falling into the writer's bane, with a generalsing opinion, to make his point. What I believe he is saying is that neither party takes the view that Cypriots suffer many forms of injustice, seeking freedom from their subjugation, they are learning little from each other. Neither is building on an alliance, for cooperation, against injustice, in recognition of each others pain, and in concordance, against the intolerant, and their rhetoric, which keeps us, as people, in isolation, divided from each other.

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Embargo: Brussels protest

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Brussels protest:

"Rude Gal, please don't forget, Cypriots have been isolated from each other, but half this population is old enough to remember a way of life far dearer. We call ourselves Cypriot, we are all people, even though we are identified, or forced to indentify ourselves as Turcophone or Grecophone.

There is nothing wrong with having great pride in your heritage, but for both of us this has grown over several hundred years, successfully. As a community we are the repository for Mankind, with roots dating back to Neolithic times. Our future, and our duty to this planet are far greater, than the adversarial competition which has been promoted for our consumption all these years.

Basic Human Rights can not be ignored. Even if it causes more suffering, it is the cost of our freedom. Turcophones and Grecophones deserve to call each other, founders of our Nation. Each has a right from this State to expect that their Individual Rights are defended without hesitation.

Where communities of people are concerned, self-determination is essential. Minority rights in either case are also essential. If this commitment is done through one or three govenments, is not that important. Most important, is that the normalacy of living without troops do divide us, can be realised.

Rude Gal, I cannot tell you how much I wish to return to my village (which is 'mixed'). I cannot tell you how much will be lost, if I cannot say once again, I am Cypriot.
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STAGNATION

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : STAGNATION:

"What is hard to understand?.... at present there are two governing authorities.

By adding a 'Greek' authority, that mirrors its northern component the political issue will be resolved, because both 'communities' will have self-determination.

The State, (Republic of Cyprus), will have the necessary credibility, that it lacks at present, because it will not be seen to follow exclusively the will of the vast component we call 'Greek'. It will be sovereign, in defending our Individual Rights, and it will represent our will as a people.


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Please imagine the island as it is today.
Take 12-14 spots, of various sizes, and scatter them over the island.

In my mind there are at least five in the south, and seven in the north.

This is the geographic solution to our problems with resetllement of "the many" who will be displaced, regardless.

And it guarantees the autonomy of the territories which surround these spots.

Your comments please....
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Cyprus, France and Austria play with Turkeys accession.

Cyprus Problem:

"To be fair,one cannot discount the thirty years of Denktash, in 'blaming' the impasse, today, on TPap. It is a solid indication that the will of the Turkophone population is for Europeanisation, and unification, with their agreement to the Annan Plan.

I believe the plan was rejected by 'Greeks', because it was unclear. Certainly the fact that no one had the time to even read it, played a factor in peoples' minds.

Since I am a Cypriot, I know that time is smelled, breathed in with the dust.

Being a Cypriot, I have the patience, to tend the land, to watch things grow, to know that beyond my life, these living things remain, to be tended by others of my blood, who have turned to the ages.

What is right is right. Cypriots, although it seems they are a minority, in the pool whose interest is this geographic space, have been steadfast on this issue: Their right to be in possession of their own land. I hope for their success because the histrionics of 'Greeks' and 'Turks' are greatly sullied by their recent exploits here.

Turkey will face a great deal of resistance because its policies are not favouring their population's individuality, nor their rights toward the expression of this will, fast enough. It will be seen to be against embracing change if it is not forthcoming on what was already agreed to.

Denktash was and still is an advocate for Turkish policy, Turkish speaking Cypriots remain isolated in this sphere. Without their contribution in the Republic as a State, all Cypriots are subject to instability and exploitation.
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Land Use, occupation and ownership.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Detain Me Next Time Too:



Cyprus will become a multi ethnic community, even if it continues with its impasse.

Kifeas has a point. Under any other circumstance, in any other country, the Turcophone people would be a minority, with such due consideration, the limit of the States generousity.

However, Cyprus was, and still remains an experiment in geo-politics. Other countries, who gained their sovereignty, immediately following our own, are in worse shape, with their populations facing horrible suffering from the effects of indebtedness, and warfare. I like to think that the last thirty years have been peaceful, because that is our nature. The UN is far less successful elsewhere, while Turkey may have a great military tradition, it is not as refined as a country like Israel.

The "Greekness" of things is normal, so too the "Turkishness" of the island dwellers. Interestingly, even in this Forum, there is the warm exchange of this understanding, even with the ultimate isolation of these two communities from each other. What will be the difference if your neighbours origins are Russian, English, Asian, or Cypriot. All people crave their liberty. They unite in Government to put order to this desire for self determination, and good government is sovereign in protecting these basic rights.

A Greek or a Turk may be at odds over this territory, which they both seek toward exploiting its wealth. But in the case of Cyprus, we have allowed this personal identity to take a place in the nature of our governance.

The original experiment was for a State, and a bi-communal body which provided to each community the opportunity to provide for themselves the services they had a right to. The experiment failed, and its failing was in no small part caused by the Nationalistic ambition of those who had not yet realised the value of their opportunity for an expression which was unique, distinctive, and diverse, as it was their own.

This is not an issue of whether people who are Turcophone want or don't want to live with Grecophones. It is a question of what is right, and what sustains the betterment of the Human Condition. Truly, we the living will suffer whatever the change, or we will suffer waiting. In sacrifice, I ask, what stops us from uniting as a people, except the bond we have to our personal identity as "Turks" or "Greeks". Are we not Human?

So we can argue amongst ourselves the fine details, but if we stand divided, it is at our own peril.

Can the island be repopulated, as I have proposed in other threads?
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General Tolon: Cyprus is a non-sinking aircraft carrier

Cyprus is a non-sinking aircraft carrier

"Whoever controls Cyprus controls the world" , Gen.TOLON

so... is it the supermilitarisation of Cyprus?

What was that movie?..."Fail Safe", made in the '60's, I think. Have you seen it? Couldn't the little island be Cyprus?

Turkey and USA are allies, both are or have been responsible for "illegal" aggression, (art.2; UN chart.), against other Nations, in war. Israel and Turkey, receive the brunt of America's military largesse, through funding. America and Britain, to a lesser degree, fund their enemies.

Turkey: "Little America", I think so. "Regional Peace Keeper", only a wish; without the recognition that Cyprus is a Sovereign State, with a people.

Either these Supra-Powers, enjoy a state of security that is unstable, or the matter is solved by agreement where all people acknowledge, their needs are met, and in cooperation there is progress, toward their betterment.

The island, therefore, cannot be de-militarised in the foreseeable future. Cypriots, at best, can have a say on how the military is configured, in cooperation with the other interlocutors.

Regional security is obtained with an agreement between Turkey and Cyprus, an alliance which would form a counterbalance to the demands from NATO, Britain and Greece.

In the simplest terms, Treaty of Defense= recognition Republic of Cyprus.

Accepting, and perhaps marketing our strategic position, in this manner we are providing an "Off-shore" service to other States, for our Neutrality, and Good Governance, toward their needs, which serves our purpose, for safety and Independence, as well.

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'The Cypriot'

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : 'The Cypriot'

Please, read this novel approach. I am truly enjoying it.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Just let refugees stay where they are

Talk Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Just let refugees stay where they are:

"It is the issue of heritage, as you say, it is sold to us and we buy it as a commodity, with the power to change it's substance, our good governance, and our free will, is what we desire, as a product.

I don't know if someone will disagree with me, but I think our respect toward the displaced and to the dead, requires a settlement that demonstrates our best intentions as people.

I believe the repopulation of the island is feasable. We can create municipllities and suburbs which when placed island wide, provide for the character of one community or the other, as a majority, within these townships, serviced by their own comunity, like Cantons, they would essentially cover the two communal states.

More of the displaced will be able to return as communities, in an organised fashion, others will want to go to create roots in new settlements, as well as resettleing territory lost in the 60's.

Whatever the solution, with free movement, there will be minorities, in either territory, who will want recognition, using this to their advantage, in either state, when governments are split evenly.

Whatever the result, the needs of Cypriots are far more complex, as no solution has been found, and the adversarial system we have, has required our patience for so long.
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Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : CYPRUS-TURKEY TREATY OF DEFENSE

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : CYPRUS-TURKEY TREATY OF DEFENSE

Consider, Turkey needs from Cyprus, more than anything, its own military presence on the island for its own defence.

As a partner, in defense, it would be obliged to protect the interest of the Cypriot Maritime, over its own frontier. It must hold the number of troops to a specified number, but neither can any number of troops, stationed on the island change, without its consent. Essentially, both Cyprus and Turkey benefit from better security, with the island's de-militarisation, and the PR that Turkey will gain worldwide will far outweigh the loss of having to recognise a state called the Republic of Cyprus, which is no longer divided, a Human Rights achievement held in high esteem, because the RoR is respected, in a manner which repopulates the entire island suitably, a vision to create even greater prosperity, with consideration toward those affected.

Alot of if's, but the impasse ends when there is recognition of what already is recognised by the rest of the world, the Republic of Cyprus, with its reformation. Turkey can keep the island divided but it cannot escape its responsibilities toward the Rule of Law, in or out of the EU.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Minority Status for Turkish Cypriot

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Minority Status for Turkish Cypriot

Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:50 am Post subject:

Having read the thread again, I find the idea of minority status interesting, although I never thought that it had any advantage. Still, it is a hard sell.

People want self-determination anywhere. Nations which are forthcoming in this vain, are stronger, show their tolerance and are inclusive, addressing an important need. In our context, a bureaucracy, and a government, has been formed, which potentially provides an easy solution to the problems specifically in Cyprus, the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"; if the Greek community accepts to create a government which is equal to it.

The "Republic of Cyprus" needs to evolve, free from ethnic, or communal priorities. It is our identity, as a people to the EU, and to the rest of the world. A Greek community can have its minority, as the Turkish majority will convey to its minority, rights, but our central government, should be superior, with the ability to protect all the citizens equally, without compromise as individuals.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : GNOSIS:Heading toward a new political frontier

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : GNOSIS:Heading toward a new political frontier


Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: GNOSIS:Heading toward a new political frontier

Greetings, fellow witnesses, and welcome to the foundation of a new political movement in Cyprus. My name, you all know, and I come to you as the gatekeeper, your humble servant. Ask me a question and the answer will be found, together. Imagine a world, and I will seek better, until there is nothing left, one choice, where we are free. I know only one thing for sure: that there are cycles far greater than my understanding, and from what I can reason, we return, from where we came, born on this planet, and to die; well, at best. If you are like minded, and you understand the first philosophical premise of mankind, then I ask you to support me, and to join me. If you do not, please ask me a question.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Do You Think That Eventually Cyprus Will Reunite?

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Do You Think That Eventually Cyprus Will Reunite?

I will vote that Cyprus unites, and I was unsure before reading the thread. The point being, that our geographic location, its strategic importance to Europe, is absolute, and the EU will realize, as well, how important it is to have Cyprus as a partner, when Turkey, signifys a contrary intent, in its own affairs.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : I Have Found the Best Solution to Cyprus problem:At Last!

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : I Have Found the Best Solution to Cyprus problem:At Last!:



"Xenos, what does this have to do with anyone else on the forum, and I am surprised, from a gentleman like you. Kefias said something Honourable, what's your problem, why can't it sit, call him a liar if he offends, but give us a reason to think better of thread at hand. Thanks

Greece and Turkey should allocate land on their beachfronts for these expats, since their support is our misery, this should be the consequence.

Respectfully, I ask you, Mr. K, you are a Cypriot, do you prefer, Cypriot, or is Greek Cypriot, or Cypriot of Greek origin, more suitable. Just to be clear, since so many have stated the same.

Personally I like 5 flags, and with the EU makes six. I want a Quartier which is wildly Turkish, way down south in Paphos. I want the town of Komi Kebir to be Greek speaking. This way I am Cypriot, and Grecophone, equal member in the European Union.

I still say that Greeks of Cypriot origin, or Turks of Cypriot origin, as well as Cypriots need one identity, inviolate, sovereign, and supreme, to protect their rights, in one government.

That Government already exists, but ethnicity is not used as a balance, equally represented, and bi-communal. It is clear, the Greek speaking community lacks a level of government, and they need their own flag, without representation equal to their counterpart, the Republic cannot occupy its efforts toward protecting the rights of all its citizens, as well as the governance we need as one people, ie cash, passport, health card, etc.

Then it is heartening, we agree, Cyprus is something all of us can be proud of, Cypriots are from Cyprus.

Can Cypriots be heard?"

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : British Bases/1974

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : British Bases/1974


Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:

I beleive we all know the expression, "unsinkable aircaft carrier". All of us, I believe, know that the interests of all the interlocutors, then, as it is now, are best served by a divided island, in a state, where the island dwellers stay divided, to represent not each other, but only their own interests.

Cypriots, a people who have survived millenia, did not survive the wrong, originally thwarted by Makarios with his change of view, and the resulting, realisation of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960, a sovereign state representing all its citizens.

Hmm.. Moose, you raise an interesting point, Turkey and Greece, as well as England signed that Constitution as well. Therefore, having learned that there is a value to all people in protecting their Patrimony, I suggest that this Constitution is more blantantly disregarded than respected because the natural inclination to show a bias for selfish reasons, still outways the more important, and more challenging principal of respect for our Human Rights, as a Family of Man, with acts for its betterment.

Who is the victim, ourselves, evey single person on this planet, if we allow Cypriots to be forgotten, by ignoring their peaceful existence, before thay were divided to suit the needs of other National entities, into Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots, rather than Cypriots who are Turcophone or Grecophone, with different needs, but sharing the same principals, that all people share everywhere equally.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus



brother wrote:

Dhavlos wrote:
yeh, in greek, Greek Cypriot dont call themselves 'ellinokibreoi/greekcypriots'...they just call themselves 'kibreoi/cypriots'... so really it is just the english language that makes us look more divided

Blame the brits again

Historically, there is more to the truth in you humour. Britain is famous as the colonial power that was best able at ruling by dividing. Turkey, I might add is famous for its ability to overwhelm, and they are the most capable at delaying for generations any alteration to their affects. Cyprus, has a body of people who are identified as Cypriots because they are indigenous to the island, and that predates the modern concept of Nation or of Religion. It is only in recent times, not seventy years ago that these people had, as an opportunity, the right to their own sovereignty. For whatever reason, the interlocutors have reasons of their own, which put at risk, this valuable and long sustaining culture. We call ourselves Greek and Turk, although Grecophone or Turcophone is more accurate.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Agreeing the History of Cyprus


Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject:

I have avoided discussing religion as a sense of our Cypriotness, but the same memories always come to mind.

When I was a young child, one day, with my aunt in a field of wheat, I saw strangers at a tree. I do not like walking through wheat fields as it grows, because it serves no good purpose to the wheat. "what are those strangers doing there?", I asked, and she told me the story of the tree, and how many of the trees, in that field, were planted by apostles. In my family's fields, and in my village, "how do they know they are there?", but she didn't know, "They say it is written somewhere." This is where I am from, my home, a place where the dust, is the lives of people to our Neolithic past. The point being, the name, 'Komi', is Arabic, this history is older than the village, and that, before the contemporary history, as TPap said recently, like sand cast over the island, no place, without some 'confluence' (as above in the thread), of people.

To be Cypriot, is to have an identity with God, and the greatness of this reverance, has been our ability to celebrate this oneness, together, by accepting that the future, its change, is not stopped, but embraced. This is why the culture we can identify as Cypriot has survived, till now. However in trying to define it then, I believe that Mankind has moved on from the cutting edge of 1960, yet for the same reason, we, as a people, must find a resolution which stands out, and preserves a facet of Humanity, for selfish reasons, it seems, other interlocutors ignore.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Cyprus threatens use of EU veto

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Cyprus threatens use of EU veto

Eric, you want the recognition of your government as the authority in the territory which you now occupy, correct? I say that after 30 years, it has built up a bureaucracy that has the credibility to direct these tasks. The Republic of Cyprus is a valuable tool to its citizens, (generally), although bi-communal by constitution, it is seen to have a bias. Culturally, the proportions between its citizens are dramatic. For a strong state in Cyprus, I propose a bi-cameral legislature, with the house which leads having an equal number of elected from each community, by party therefore, a majority is found. In National elections, you would vote for one Greek and one Turkish representative, from the same or different Parties to represent you. In this Senate, the Leader of Government is the party leader who has the majority of seats, having the greatest number of both communities for its support. A lower house of representatives is elected by majority and represents the best of each constituency independantly. As their aim as legislators is to make transparent the information the Government has for its policies, they work in commitee so that legislation the Government proposes is vetted by their investigation...there is a veto, and some other details... not all the details are clear, but the idea you see is working for a central government which has a very strong system of checks and balances, so that all of us can expect the best, in all our interests internationally, as a nation. But a GreekAuthority like your own, would have to exist, for this plan which would give each side, culturally, liberty to express themselves to the fullest extent possible and a stake in the central government which is strong because it is equal. I insist that for Cyprus it is very important to look at the resettlement as a whole. Meaning, Turks and Greeks can benefit in the return of land and the establishment of communities in Cantons, so that the diversity of both its cultures, as well as the possibility for growth, improves all our lives with so much vitality. There will be Greeks And Turks working and living everywhere, so too so many others because, after all it is a small island, and except for the cantons they will live as a minority respectively, in one zone or the other with rights as a Cypriot to be served equally, in three languages.

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Residents Immigrants whatever...

Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : Residents Immigrants whatever...

The numbers are irrelavant, because they will be what they will be, when the people are counted by a body that can maintain its impartiality. And, the population issue is a 'hot button'.

It is fair at this point to call upon the members of the forum to recall the issue as a Human effort, and to remember our responsibility to Mankind, which depends on our ability to find in our dialogue, success that they can emulate.

Whatever the result, it is in our interest to be welcoming to those that are caught up in an imbroglio, that for some, those that are here on our island, has gone on for over thirty years. Obviously, the settlers which Turkey has invited need the very best of our intentions, because they left Turkey, like frontier people anywhere, anything was better than what they had otherwise.

Like it or not, we cannot stand against the future, nor can we always live in fear, it is up to us to embrace the future, beyond the EU, and the Middle East, when Africa is free from sickness and the tyranny of so few. Where ill we be, in the middle of all of this.

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It must be close to thirty years, in that each year with the same setting for the same speech, that an end to the "Green Line" which started in Cyprus, would again be the UN's first priority. When did that stop I asked myself? Is this a failure of the UN?

What about the Family of Man? Where villagers, in Cyprus, nurtured this love and respect for human dignity, who could claim a root to its modern origin, with the inception of the UN. their own history dating back to an origin beyond any respective religion, Mankind sought here to preserve its' own neolithic past. Cyprus, a word meaning copper, was given it's name by the Egyptians when they were building pyramids, even before Alexander. Cypriots have lived on this island peacefully, developing a culture which was the most socialised in the world, based on cooperation, an identity which was clearly focused on longstanding agreements, tradition and mutual respect. As a people, are they to become doomed to extinction?

There was a time before Turkey and even before Greece, when Cypriots were giving names to their villages in Arabic. Cypriots enjoy the relics of a wide array of colonisers over the ages, it was they who built these great edifices, its culture prospered because it was so closely rooted to the land, and that they were able to pay taxes. Cyprus is, as it has always been, a gateway for: Africa, Europe, and the Middle East; all the World Religions have a path from their origins there. Contemporary international politics has left the island, after a coup dÂ’etat that failed, divided along a line strinkingly similar to that proposed by Dulles before the UN found the peace which gave Cypriots , for the first time in their history, as a Nation, sovereignty over their island and their own affairs.

Today,the Republic of Cyprus rests uncomfortably under one of the world's most heavily fortified borders with at least 100,000 refugees living in their own homeland, for the first time wrested from their land sincemillenniaa over 300,000 people, one third of its population, many who wish to return to theirs that belonged to theirs before them, as a European country, and a member of the EU, while Turkish Cypriots, living in a zone that is occupied by Turkey, unrecognised, with a toponomy, and a demography that has been changed, designed to promote Turkey's interest, receive even less attention in a social-economy which is prospering greatly. Greece and Britain are not innocent by-standers in this imbroglio: Britain is still in possession of the property which it uses militarily, the value of which rivals her great allies for intelligence and air superiority. Greece continues to use the same tactics as Turkey in their External-Affairs, dividing people by language/religion, fighting a proxy war, and using terror, which leaves their citizens with little loss while Cyprus, another nation-state remains divided.

The UN needs to resolve this problem, it's credibility depends on it. The players: Greece and Turkey need to look at the power they would have as allies, after the ironically hopeful experience both entertained afterseparatee disastrous earthquakes, I had hopes that a regional alliance including the Balkans, Macedonia, Albania, and others, brokered by a country like Great Britain, promoted for security and their economic prosperity could fructify. However, the same intransigence continues as it has, now for decades.

A bi-cameral, bi-communal state is the basis for agreement accepted by the communal states and their guarantors in Cyprus more than once; which would mean in one house, for example, Cypriots regardless of their ethnicity would vote for two candidates, one from each community to represent their electoral district in a Parliament, who by majority vote elect a leader, while in the other house, regardless of their ethnicity, citizens would vote for only one member, representing their electoral riding in a legislature divided by canton, with a distinct ethnicity, having a slate of candidates which represents this bias.

Simple, basic, Human Rights are at play here: many survivors want no longer to remain up-rooted, an attempt must be made to explain the disappearance of over 6,000 Greeks and the great number of Turkish Cypriot disappearances which remain unclear. Famagusta, a great and vital city made famous byShakespearee, where Othello was once king, whose beach front in 1974 was the most valuable property by square foot in all the Mediterranean is now home to dogs and snakes, the whole cityuninhabitedd by people, guarded abandoned as it was when airplanes strafed and bombed its hotels will continue to remain empty. How can Greek Cypriots be blamed for voting against a proposition which leaves these central issues, most important to them, unresolved and untouched? How were Turkish Cypriots represented in a referendum where Turkish colonists represent a majority of voters? This, at the behest of Mr. Kofi.

I believe that the UN has the capacity to end the hostility in Cyprus, which it resolved to do at its own advent. I am afraid that if it fails, or is seen to be waning, it will be a signal to otherbelligerentss that anything can be ignored, that the UN will concede impotence when it is suitable, indifferencee to its goals and its own ideals. It should be in the first sentence, Cyprus from the first few words, of the same fateful speech every year. Until these Occidental partners accept their own need to show grace toward a lasting peace in Cyprus, the UN will not have the template it needs to resolve conflict elsewhere. Without the agreement of some seemingly civilised countries who have met in secret for close to forty years to resolve this "little" problem, it seems quite remarkable for the UN to have had any success anywhere, where people have become divided for the same reasons. The UN is a great institution which the world needs;it needs from us the will to fight in defence of Humanity, as Tolstoy said, against our enemies: Hunger, Ignorance, Disease.

The United Nations must continue to promote the dialogue which encourages understanding and the great patience it displays will hopefully promote goodwill. There is a need to confront terrorism around the world, which has its root in Modern History from the guerilla war fought against the British in Cyprus, toward its liberation in 1955. The Middle East and now the whole world has suffered from its evolution, the action and reaction which in modern warfare exploits emotion and uses forms of fear to implicate whole populations in individual acts of hostility. There was a moment, in Dubai just before the fateful day, 9/11, when the world was focused on resolving the pain caused by a history of plunder, leaving the Southern Hemisphere in disarray.This friction, endless cycles of poverty for millions of people, continues to be reinforced by the inability of Mankind to focus on the need to provide for its People the basic requirements which sustain us. If this challenge was the locus of our acts against terrorism, then terrorist would only prosper if thay could promote a better way of living. Leaders likeGandhii, and Makarios knew this, who would challenge their own beliefs in service to Truth.

Many Cypriots, Turkish and Greek, wish to return to the properties they care for. They wish to travel freely and to live in safety. They are a people who despite this tragedy befallen upon them, continue to wait patiently for the most modern interlopers to resolve the differences they have amongst themselves, with the hope that this intransigence does not explode, or end with there own demise. A simple form of government, like the one which I have proposed will guarantee equality and an opportunity for each community to promote reasoned legislation for its own distinctive needs. Cypriots will have to accommodate the needs of people who now occupy the homes of the displaced by allowing them to become citizens of the Cypriot state. the result likely being a change to the demographics of the island which would promote these cantonal states with communities, as minorities, to be protected. An opportunity must be given to all these people, by thebelligerentss, withdrawing their troops and weapons which have the potential to be used unwisely, as in the past, even if it means Cyprus must be Constitutionally reformed so that it does not have a military capable of an offense.