http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus38183-120.html#p721515 . vp, i don't know where you lived before the issues of '63 and '74, but if my village is an example of a "mixed" village, the residents have a relationship which was nurtured, far older than that. frankly i am grateful to live across from a Turkish Cypriot unscarred until the Turkish Army chose to make the land they occupy (and all its living creatures) subject to them. we remain an example of the community which was there before this "Turkification", my friends still respect hard work and have a loving nature, close to their land and this history; our history. now, after all these years, having met many Greeks from across the world, i feel a sorrow and a shame to meet a "Greek" who cannot understand that this is possible in Cyprus, i hope that i might convince you that as a Cypriot, you may consider that not all Turks are "Turks" . 350 years, wot? just a backwater, only surviving, ignored as a possession. it was the Modern Age, the British, and the Rule of Law, which gave impetus to Mankind's recognition of Cypriots as a People amongst a Family of Man. whether there is a majority of persons Greeks or not, the World defines us, as all Citizens, the stewards of this island so old (and so wealthy) as one, recognised, Sovereign and as Individuals, represented by a State governing in a manner where all electors are equal without distinction or discrimination. Cypriots, their Leaders, chose to take the challenge of defining Bicommunal, and now Bizonal, for Humanity's greater good. you see two states. i tell you that you cannot dismiss the Federal Government as a body because you don't trust "Greeks", things cannot remain as they are today. to be equals as Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots (, as well as Maronites, etc.) there must exist a Greek Constituency (and other Cypriot Constituencies). if you want a Turkish Constituency demand this; liberate the Republic from its bonds to the "Greeks", and once again it will be the "minority" who values civil behaviour and Universal Principals, most. ...as such, read your Constitution, the Republic of Cyprus' i mean, and tell me, what is wrong with National Assemblies?
Thursday, June 28, 2012
Re: Turkish atrocities in Cyprus
Sunday, June 17, 2012
Cyprus :: Diamond Jubilee and Evagoras Pallikarides - Page 7
Cyprus :: Diamond Jubilee and Evagoras Pallikarides - Page 7
...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns which should leave us grateful to Mankind, that for the first time in thousands of years, as a People Cypriots are Free. Respect is the watchword, and it is not as "Greeks" or "Turks" that any Peace will be found, to be at the vanguard of this new Age we must demonstrate a wider and more reasoned view, something repeatable, something emulated because it is held in high esteem.
He died for the right and freedom to choose his identity instead of having Imperialist racists like you deciding for him, and us!
...given the time and the place his actions are as described. there is nothing of a disgrace in what he said, but time and History took other turns which should leave us grateful to Mankind, that for the first time in thousands of years, as a People Cypriots are Free. Respect is the watchword, and it is not as "Greeks" or "Turks" that any Peace will be found, to be at the vanguard of this new Age we must demonstrate a wider and more reasoned view, something repeatable, something emulated because it is held in high esteem.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Tell Turkey: End the Occupation of Cyprus Now
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...if you give up Turkey as your sole benefactor you gain the support of the rest of the world. Freedom for Cyprus is Mankind's gift, to the People with a Cypriot Identity, it is not the "Greeks" who are offering you this Liberty to be Turkic, but Greeks who as this island's dwellers represent the vast majority of this body Politic. it would be nice in the least as a Cypriot, if you recognised that the island is not Turkish nor Greek, although as Persons we strive to sustain these identities.
...what better Guarantee is there but to define Bizonal Bicommunal Federation in a manner where as Individuals, this body of People represent themselves United in defending Universal Principals (as Humans), and that being Bicommunal they represent themselves as electors in National Assemblies (within Jurisdictional Territories being Bizonal) so that as a Majority they can sustain within their daily lives this distinct identity, even closer to their taxdollars. you cannot prevent Greeks, just because they are Greeks from choosing to reside in Cyprus as Turcophones (a "Turk" would think that, (rather than a Turk)), nor can we prevent the mobility that the Modern Age has offered. Cyprus is not Property, beyond the feelings Turkey displays about the Treaty of Lausanne, or its Continental Shelf, it is about defining this distinction: that a People, Cypriots have as their Heritance a land far more rooted than what has been a proxy war between subjugators.
...question of ethnic origin, no; question of attitude.
...dude, you behave
Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Cyprus Now Forum • View topic - Obama's pro gay marriage
Cyprus Now Forum • View topic - Obama's pro gay marriage
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...what is marriage but a contract.
if we are committed to Freedom and Human Liberty where as Individuals we have the responsible choice to pursue our happiness, then there is no alternative but to accept gay marriage. irksome is the lessons we are not learning from this so called Modern phenomena, gays (as an example of a small minority) are organised to voice their common opinions in a manner where such demands can be satisfied. Cypriots, within the populaton of a sphere that includes the interlocutors, are a minority as small. perhaps our own parades can express this bend, an odd couple, Turks and Greeks (Cypriot, not "Turk" and "Greek"), joined in a bond that is a Human Contract, because they resisted the stagnation of a standard which excludes these notions.
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...what is marriage but a contract.
if we are committed to Freedom and Human Liberty where as Individuals we have the responsible choice to pursue our happiness, then there is no alternative but to accept gay marriage. irksome is the lessons we are not learning from this so called Modern phenomena, gays (as an example of a small minority) are organised to voice their common opinions in a manner where such demands can be satisfied. Cypriots, within the populaton of a sphere that includes the interlocutors, are a minority as small. perhaps our own parades can express this bend, an odd couple, Turks and Greeks (Cypriot, not "Turk" and "Greek"), joined in a bond that is a Human Contract, because they resisted the stagnation of a standard which excludes these notions.
Friday, May 04, 2012
Cyprus :: Energy issues are a reason for war -Yildiz - Page 3
Cyprus :: Energy issues are a reason for war -Yildiz - Page 3
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re file, i think i understand what Bananiot is saying, have a heart, be a Cypriot, share by showing that you are great as Greeks, and as Turks, (and i hope as Maronites, and Armenians, (and Romes), etc.), because you are Human Beings first, demonstrating that value above all, unlike "Greeks" and "Turks", by choice an example far more refined and adapted to the future Ages; beyond what was before the Modern Age.
Bicommunal is not a dirty word, although i must say much has been done for it to be sullied, it remains to be defined more precisely by us, to the benefit of Mankind to whom we owe the end of our subjugation of thousands of years, as this island's dwellers not Property, a People.
Bizonal similarly does not mean tearing the island in two, however Territorial Jurisdictions may define land usage, it is clear to all Citizens that the land is an indivisible whole.
a Federation may be a Unitary State, and i believe that this is in Cyprus essential toward defending Individual Rights. without it there is always the threat that in the future the same Imperialistic tools will be there to be exploited by those who gain from our willingness to sustain Identities as Persons.
...all this is way off topic, on the other hand, a solution to the Problem, one that Turkey cannot unreasonably refuse is what's needed to delay the War threats looming.
Mr B., please, read (and comment) on my manifesto thingy, or the letter to Ban Ki-Moon, feeling dreamy and all, i could use the help.
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re file, i think i understand what Bananiot is saying, have a heart, be a Cypriot, share by showing that you are great as Greeks, and as Turks, (and i hope as Maronites, and Armenians, (and Romes), etc.), because you are Human Beings first, demonstrating that value above all, unlike "Greeks" and "Turks", by choice an example far more refined and adapted to the future Ages; beyond what was before the Modern Age.
Bicommunal is not a dirty word, although i must say much has been done for it to be sullied, it remains to be defined more precisely by us, to the benefit of Mankind to whom we owe the end of our subjugation of thousands of years, as this island's dwellers not Property, a People.
Bizonal similarly does not mean tearing the island in two, however Territorial Jurisdictions may define land usage, it is clear to all Citizens that the land is an indivisible whole.
a Federation may be a Unitary State, and i believe that this is in Cyprus essential toward defending Individual Rights. without it there is always the threat that in the future the same Imperialistic tools will be there to be exploited by those who gain from our willingness to sustain Identities as Persons.
...all this is way off topic, on the other hand, a solution to the Problem, one that Turkey cannot unreasonably refuse is what's needed to delay the War threats looming.
Mr B., please, read (and comment) on my manifesto thingy, or the letter to Ban Ki-Moon, feeling dreamy and all, i could use the help.
Friday, April 20, 2012
Cyprus :: Why is Cyprus Divided? - Page 3
Cyprus :: Why is Cyprus Divided? - Page 3
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...Cyprus is divided because Turkey believes that it is property; the people are of no consequence. This they believe is a well founded fact based on the Principal of Law (before the Modern Age) when Cyprus was made English, thus she does not recognise the validity of the Treaty of Lausanne. The British of course demonstrate their Sovereignty as well, by example their rush to express this fact at Curium.
...Cypriots are divided by their mythic personas, reality will set in soon, we are passed the Modern Age.
...Cyprus is divided because of its geographic location. in an effort to continue the plunder of past ages, there are these efforts to possess "it". it does not matter the divide, it could be mostly "French", and a reason would be found to divide the minority from a Cypriot people, as "English", (or "German"), there would exist a Proxy War.
...Cypriots have not grasped what Bicommunal and Bizonal could mean. They are not prepared it seems to confront their fears to lead Mankind beyond the Nation as a State, where they are a State within which there are Nations.
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...Cyprus is divided because Turkey believes that it is property; the people are of no consequence. This they believe is a well founded fact based on the Principal of Law (before the Modern Age) when Cyprus was made English, thus she does not recognise the validity of the Treaty of Lausanne. The British of course demonstrate their Sovereignty as well, by example their rush to express this fact at Curium.
...Cypriots are divided by their mythic personas, reality will set in soon, we are passed the Modern Age.
...Cyprus is divided because of its geographic location. in an effort to continue the plunder of past ages, there are these efforts to possess "it". it does not matter the divide, it could be mostly "French", and a reason would be found to divide the minority from a Cypriot people, as "English", (or "German"), there would exist a Proxy War.
...Cypriots have not grasped what Bicommunal and Bizonal could mean. They are not prepared it seems to confront their fears to lead Mankind beyond the Nation as a State, where they are a State within which there are Nations.
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
UN chief remains interested in Cyprus solution
UN chief remains interested in Cyprus solution
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...we hope that if the effort to define the words Bizonal and Bicommunal continue, that there will be two tables where these negotiations will take place.
...one where as Constituencies the People gather to decide their self-representation as Persons within National Assemblies, so that amongst them they can Charter Territorial Jurisdictions for their electorate from the State.
...and at the other, a Federal Government which has no other obligation but to defend its Citizens without discrimination, equal and as Individuals.
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...we hope that if the effort to define the words Bizonal and Bicommunal continue, that there will be two tables where these negotiations will take place.
...one where as Constituencies the People gather to decide their self-representation as Persons within National Assemblies, so that amongst them they can Charter Territorial Jurisdictions for their electorate from the State.
...and at the other, a Federal Government which has no other obligation but to defend its Citizens without discrimination, equal and as Individuals.
Sunday, April 08, 2012
Cyprus Now Forum • View topic - The biggest insult to Cyprus...
Cyprus Now Forum • View topic - The biggest insult to Cyprus...
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...once again this summer we will face the scorn that Turkey holds for the Cypriot social-economy. what will she do when another success of Cyprus as a State is demonstrated, we'll see. given that Erdogan has explictly stated that partition (read:annexation) is his goal, that 'fait accompli' is looming. why?
...is Turkey's plaint to be respected? is Cyprus, Property she reclaims?
...and what about the people? aren't they "Greeks" and "Turks"; in the thousands of years of this island's History, when were they a People?
...the insult is to Mankind, and to the Modern Age, (lol) never mind the Cypriots.
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...once again this summer we will face the scorn that Turkey holds for the Cypriot social-economy. what will she do when another success of Cyprus as a State is demonstrated, we'll see. given that Erdogan has explictly stated that partition (read:annexation) is his goal, that 'fait accompli' is looming. why?
...is Turkey's plaint to be respected? is Cyprus, Property she reclaims?
...and what about the people? aren't they "Greeks" and "Turks"; in the thousands of years of this island's History, when were they a People?
...the insult is to Mankind, and to the Modern Age, (lol) never mind the Cypriots.
Thursday, April 05, 2012
Cyprus :: What would Enosis mean to the average Cypriot - Page 2#p712162
Cyprus :: What would Enosis mean to the average Cypriot - Page 2#p712162
Schnauzer wrote:
...well said Schnauzer, thank-you.
...if we ignore the choice of Cypriots for a Union with Greece because it is a Greek island, it can only be a benefit to Mankind as a whole if these People are Sovereign to represent themselves, and to remain as the Stewards of their Heritance. by dividing it (and them) in two, as adversaries, that Green Line which started there and grew will again fester with so much harm.
...as Imperialists Greece looks harmless, as the great Majority in Cyprus are subject to its Language. Turkey, on the other hand is stuck with the Treaty of Lausanne as an unfair loss of Property, and to her what comes next is of no consequence. England still insists on Sovereign Rights, and she too (i regret to say) remains a failed Guarantor.
...as Cypriots, a great deal is asked of the people who are its dwellers; not "Greeks" but Greeks, not "Turks" but Turks (maybe Maronites, and Armenians, etc. too), defining Bicommunal and Bizonal so that it can be emulated throughout the world being held in such high esteem.
...it is about time that enosis means the mending of one what is apart, only in a Modern, very Cypriot kind of way.
Freedom for Cyprus, Freedom for Cypriots too!
Schnauzer wrote:
I think much would depend upon the determination of just how one would describe an 'Average Cypriot'.
Currently, it is a matter of whom the one who considers him/herself to be 'Greek Cypriot' and the one who considers him/herself to be 'Turkish Cypriot' feels more closely affiliated to, Greece or Turkey?.
Naturally (again currently) the unfortunate 'Political and Military' division that has been foisted upon the people of Cyprus, is bound to create a situation which renders the question posed almost impossible to answer.
Leaving aside the questions of 'Fairness' and 'Unfairness', the ONLY outcome of such a union, MUST result in another 'Springboard' for the 'Average Cypriot' to launch further abusive verbal attacks upon each other.
That is how 'Politics' works, ultimately the desires of the 'Average Cypriot' is of no consequence to either the 'Military or Political' leaders, therefore 'NOTHING' is what 'Enosis' might mean, actually it has always been like that for the 'Average Cypriot'. (imho)
...well said Schnauzer, thank-you.
...if we ignore the choice of Cypriots for a Union with Greece because it is a Greek island, it can only be a benefit to Mankind as a whole if these People are Sovereign to represent themselves, and to remain as the Stewards of their Heritance. by dividing it (and them) in two, as adversaries, that Green Line which started there and grew will again fester with so much harm.
...as Imperialists Greece looks harmless, as the great Majority in Cyprus are subject to its Language. Turkey, on the other hand is stuck with the Treaty of Lausanne as an unfair loss of Property, and to her what comes next is of no consequence. England still insists on Sovereign Rights, and she too (i regret to say) remains a failed Guarantor.
...as Cypriots, a great deal is asked of the people who are its dwellers; not "Greeks" but Greeks, not "Turks" but Turks (maybe Maronites, and Armenians, etc. too), defining Bicommunal and Bizonal so that it can be emulated throughout the world being held in such high esteem.
...it is about time that enosis means the mending of one what is apart, only in a Modern, very Cypriot kind of way.
Freedom for Cyprus, Freedom for Cypriots too!
Friday, March 30, 2012
Cyprus :: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today? - Page 5#p711686
Cyprus :: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today? - Page 5#p711686
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you see vp, i/I fight for Cyprus. everyday i used to tend my trees, our trees were tended too.
were you here before the "fait accompli"? it is the "Greeks" and the "Turks" who have held their
debate without success, it is about time for the Greeks and Turks to create their own Agenda.
...but what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village.
enosis, better means, to mend. its meaning Historically changed over time. i take it to mean
the future as one. you, if you are a "Turk", take it to mean belonging to Greece, or belonging
to Turkey, as though this is correct thinking. i say as Cypriots we have the great distinction of defining
the words Nation and State more clearly, and demonstrating to the rest of Mankind a meaning for
the word, Bicommunal, (and now Bizonal), in a manner which can be held in high esteem by its emulation;
please read my manifesto, and need i remind you, your observations are important to me,
after all some of it came from your inspiration.
...don't make me your enemy, just because it seems, you can no longer ignore my attention; that's too easy.
dude, those PM's you sent long ago, do you remember sending them? what makes you think anything has changed,
you wanted to be freinds, and we were united with one idea, that Cyprus belongs to Cypriots, not "Greeks" and "Turks",
being Bicommunal, i say all Cypriots are Cypriots first when it comes to defending their State as Individuals, being
Bicommunal means, as well, National Assemblies, and being Bizonal means Territorial Jurisdictions, where Cypriots
by where they reside are Minorities or Majorities within an electorate of Persons (a National Assembly) so that through
their self-representation as Greeks, Turks, Maronites, Armenians, (Jews, British,) and Romes they can sustain a Living
Heritance with their respect and recognition for the "others" amongst them, while they vote as well for a Government
for their Republic, each citizen with one vote for the Betterment of Human Conditions.
...do not dismiss the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" are a set within larger circles of Greeks and Turks who in a wider sense are no different to the other Communities who can call Cyprus a Home. the debate as it is, is flawed. Mankind, as you say, 'gifted' Cyprus to Cypriots. only "Greeks" and "Turks", over this, express their discontent. "Turks" think they have the demographic stranglehold to leave Cyprus an impotent speck of geography like it was before the Treaty of Lausanne, i say Greeks and Turks, Maronites, etc. are headed toward extinction fast, and that the population of Cyprus is 12.5 million sooner than later.
...vp, things can't stay the same forever, Freedom for Cyprus, one Government one Country; Freedom for Cypriots, many National Assemblies.
cheers!
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you see vp, i/I fight for Cyprus. everyday i used to tend my trees, our trees were tended too.
were you here before the "fait accompli"? it is the "Greeks" and the "Turks" who have held their
debate without success, it is about time for the Greeks and Turks to create their own Agenda.
...but what do i know, coming from a "mixed" village.
enosis, better means, to mend. its meaning Historically changed over time. i take it to mean
the future as one. you, if you are a "Turk", take it to mean belonging to Greece, or belonging
to Turkey, as though this is correct thinking. i say as Cypriots we have the great distinction of defining
the words Nation and State more clearly, and demonstrating to the rest of Mankind a meaning for
the word, Bicommunal, (and now Bizonal), in a manner which can be held in high esteem by its emulation;
please read my manifesto, and need i remind you, your observations are important to me,
after all some of it came from your inspiration.
...don't make me your enemy, just because it seems, you can no longer ignore my attention; that's too easy.
dude, those PM's you sent long ago, do you remember sending them? what makes you think anything has changed,
you wanted to be freinds, and we were united with one idea, that Cyprus belongs to Cypriots, not "Greeks" and "Turks",
being Bicommunal, i say all Cypriots are Cypriots first when it comes to defending their State as Individuals, being
Bicommunal means, as well, National Assemblies, and being Bizonal means Territorial Jurisdictions, where Cypriots
by where they reside are Minorities or Majorities within an electorate of Persons (a National Assembly) so that through
their self-representation as Greeks, Turks, Maronites, Armenians, (Jews, British,) and Romes they can sustain a Living
Heritance with their respect and recognition for the "others" amongst them, while they vote as well for a Government
for their Republic, each citizen with one vote for the Betterment of Human Conditions.
...do not dismiss the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" are a set within larger circles of Greeks and Turks who in a wider sense are no different to the other Communities who can call Cyprus a Home. the debate as it is, is flawed. Mankind, as you say, 'gifted' Cyprus to Cypriots. only "Greeks" and "Turks", over this, express their discontent. "Turks" think they have the demographic stranglehold to leave Cyprus an impotent speck of geography like it was before the Treaty of Lausanne, i say Greeks and Turks, Maronites, etc. are headed toward extinction fast, and that the population of Cyprus is 12.5 million sooner than later.
...vp, things can't stay the same forever, Freedom for Cyprus, one Government one Country; Freedom for Cypriots, many National Assemblies.
cheers!
Monday, March 26, 2012
Cyprus :: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today? - Page 2#p711361
Cyprus :: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today? - Page 2#p711361
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Viewpoint wrote:
Viva la Enosis with Turkey.
...indeed, Cyprus and Turkey need to be allied, joined in a common cause. if the EU is a great experiment toward lasting peace, it is Turkey where a frontier is best established, so too Cyprus. enosis, as OP said, is not a bad word.
...your point is not well taken, perhaps, although it is ironically food for thought. "Greekness" (looking West) is taken as the Democratic Value where as Citizens we are equally involved in bettering our lives as a whole. "Turkishness" (looking East), i take to mean the Ottomans, who sucked the life out of the glorious Arabic civilization, and all its Peoples, not unlike their work ies stin poli, and Cyprus which became a backwater. certainly modern Turkey is not the ideal of Ataturk, it is the Kemalists who see people as Turkish from their "Turkishness", that fails this great State to benefit their Nation.
...as i've said many times before vp, and i hope you think about it, this is not a Greek/Turkish issue, it is a not a "Greek"/"Turkish" issue either, it is a "Greek", "Turkish"/ Greek, Turkish issue.
we, being the vanguard vp, that is to say as a Citizen of the World, should act accordingly.
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Viewpoint wrote:
Viva la Enosis with Turkey.
...indeed, Cyprus and Turkey need to be allied, joined in a common cause. if the EU is a great experiment toward lasting peace, it is Turkey where a frontier is best established, so too Cyprus. enosis, as OP said, is not a bad word.
...your point is not well taken, perhaps, although it is ironically food for thought. "Greekness" (looking West) is taken as the Democratic Value where as Citizens we are equally involved in bettering our lives as a whole. "Turkishness" (looking East), i take to mean the Ottomans, who sucked the life out of the glorious Arabic civilization, and all its Peoples, not unlike their work ies stin poli, and Cyprus which became a backwater. certainly modern Turkey is not the ideal of Ataturk, it is the Kemalists who see people as Turkish from their "Turkishness", that fails this great State to benefit their Nation.
...as i've said many times before vp, and i hope you think about it, this is not a Greek/Turkish issue, it is a not a "Greek"/"Turkish" issue either, it is a "Greek", "Turkish"/ Greek, Turkish issue.
we, being the vanguard vp, that is to say as a Citizen of the World, should act accordingly.
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
...peace talks likely to halt in July
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : GOODWILL FORWARD#87837
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"Downer said talks are stalled on how executive power would be shared under an envisioned federation and on how to deal with private property that was lost during the invasion."
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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.
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“It’s not so much that it would take time to achieve them, it would take political decisions to achieve them,” he said
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...if only Eroglu had an ally in the Greeks, Maronites, Armenians, and Latins who sustain like him their Persons, an identity that is distinct. If only Mr. Chistofias did not have to represent "Greeks", but instead Cypriots without discrimination; that might be a constructive debate, toward what already has been agreed.
As it is, a Greek Constituency is missing from the negociations, and for them to fructify: a Federal Government must exist, (and at least) a Turkish Constituency, and a Greek Constituency must exist.
...and what of the displaced? From '63 and '74, would it not be Justice seen if they returned as they left, at least for some, as Communities? Wouldn't enclaves prove a benefit, if they were to spot the entire island, in providing territorial jurisdictions to the People as Persons within National Assemblies, as well as a way to end Turkey's 'fait accompli'? Even if the Green Line remained, unchanged, it would become another frontier, completely redundant as a militarised border. Free Movement, Free Association, and Free Expression, aren't they secured (for all), if a Cypriot is a Cypriot first, Free to choose where they live, as a Minority, or as a Majority, as Grecophones and Turcophones, able to receive service island-wide? .
As a "Greek/Turkish" conflict, the issue fails endlessly repeating itself without an answer for Cypriots. Turkey's ambition, what with their Army's illegal occupation, their agenda first, (changing the toponomy and demographics of the island), and their proxy war against "Greeks", (as well as the Turks who are not "Turkish" enough), it is disappointing to see what they do provide to Cypriots in the north, nothing near the wealth of their fellow Cypriots in the south, speaking Democracy, not even a decent Rule of Law. Turkey, the regional Superpower, should be able to do far better than that for who they call Turks of Cyprus; never mind the bullying and the gunboat diplomacy of late.
...but the Cyprus Problem is not Turkey's issue alone, and only Cypriots can prevail. As Individuals, my hope is that they, Cypriots as a whole, will make it very hot for Mr. Erdogan this summer with his partition (read:annexation), plans. Like the Freedom Riders they'll drive their cars in convoys right round the whole island flying Cyprus' flag, demonstrating that they are Humans first, for Universal Principals, against their subjugation, and like Greeks and Turks, unlike the "Greeks" and "Turks" amongst them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/un-envoy-says-cyprus-peace-talks-likely-to-halt-in-july-if-accord-not-reached-by-then/2012/03/20/gIQACmmtPS_story.html
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"Downer said talks are stalled on how executive power would be shared under an envisioned federation and on how to deal with private property that was lost during the invasion."
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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.
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“It’s not so much that it would take time to achieve them, it would take political decisions to achieve them,” he said
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...if only Eroglu had an ally in the Greeks, Maronites, Armenians, and Latins who sustain like him their Persons, an identity that is distinct. If only Mr. Chistofias did not have to represent "Greeks", but instead Cypriots without discrimination; that might be a constructive debate, toward what already has been agreed.
As it is, a Greek Constituency is missing from the negociations, and for them to fructify: a Federal Government must exist, (and at least) a Turkish Constituency, and a Greek Constituency must exist.
...and what of the displaced? From '63 and '74, would it not be Justice seen if they returned as they left, at least for some, as Communities? Wouldn't enclaves prove a benefit, if they were to spot the entire island, in providing territorial jurisdictions to the People as Persons within National Assemblies, as well as a way to end Turkey's 'fait accompli'? Even if the Green Line remained, unchanged, it would become another frontier, completely redundant as a militarised border. Free Movement, Free Association, and Free Expression, aren't they secured (for all), if a Cypriot is a Cypriot first, Free to choose where they live, as a Minority, or as a Majority, as Grecophones and Turcophones, able to receive service island-wide? .
As a "Greek/Turkish" conflict, the issue fails endlessly repeating itself without an answer for Cypriots. Turkey's ambition, what with their Army's illegal occupation, their agenda first, (changing the toponomy and demographics of the island), and their proxy war against "Greeks", (as well as the Turks who are not "Turkish" enough), it is disappointing to see what they do provide to Cypriots in the north, nothing near the wealth of their fellow Cypriots in the south, speaking Democracy, not even a decent Rule of Law. Turkey, the regional Superpower, should be able to do far better than that for who they call Turks of Cyprus; never mind the bullying and the gunboat diplomacy of late.
...but the Cyprus Problem is not Turkey's issue alone, and only Cypriots can prevail. As Individuals, my hope is that they, Cypriots as a whole, will make it very hot for Mr. Erdogan this summer with his partition (read:annexation), plans. Like the Freedom Riders they'll drive their cars in convoys right round the whole island flying Cyprus' flag, demonstrating that they are Humans first, for Universal Principals, against their subjugation, and like Greeks and Turks, unlike the "Greeks" and "Turks" amongst them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/un-envoy-says-cyprus-peace-talks-likely-to-halt-in-july-if-accord-not-reached-by-then/2012/03/20/gIQACmmtPS_story.html
Wednesday, March 07, 2012
Cyprus :: Kibrislis Vs Settlers - Page 17#p709914
Cyprus :: Kibrislis Vs Settlers - Page 17#p709914
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...the Republic of Cyprus has no such luxury, it is a Free country where they do not represent just "Greeks", (and need i mention for a BBF to work Greeks should have their own National Assembly, like the Turks, so too Maronites, and Armenians), the Government, this one and in the future a Federal Government, to be credible, first is a representive of a wider Family, of Man. we all deserve the benefit of the doubt if we live respectfully, we are productive, and we follow the rules. a whole society cannot be dismissed because within this community there exists transients and malcontents; better exchange and dialog is essential to control a condition where such Individuals are identified, this comes from Goodwill.
...in the north such days are eye-openers, people leaving, people staying, natural gaz, and more discontent from less money, we are expecting a summer that is hot when Turkey wails, it will be hard for the Kibrisli, harder even still without all Cypriots behind their resistence. but i am hoping for more humour than that, the flag thing has stuck now, i tell you it would be nice to see them flying from car antennas in convoys right round the island, that at least is something that would make them laugh.
I have a question, why does the RoC allow the settlers to pass the check points firstly and why are we giving them jobs? If they are occupiers of our land and think they can stop a cypriot from enjyoing their Country fully and freely
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...the Republic of Cyprus has no such luxury, it is a Free country where they do not represent just "Greeks", (and need i mention for a BBF to work Greeks should have their own National Assembly, like the Turks, so too Maronites, and Armenians), the Government, this one and in the future a Federal Government, to be credible, first is a representive of a wider Family, of Man. we all deserve the benefit of the doubt if we live respectfully, we are productive, and we follow the rules. a whole society cannot be dismissed because within this community there exists transients and malcontents; better exchange and dialog is essential to control a condition where such Individuals are identified, this comes from Goodwill.
...in the north such days are eye-openers, people leaving, people staying, natural gaz, and more discontent from less money, we are expecting a summer that is hot when Turkey wails, it will be hard for the Kibrisli, harder even still without all Cypriots behind their resistence. but i am hoping for more humour than that, the flag thing has stuck now, i tell you it would be nice to see them flying from car antennas in convoys right round the island, that at least is something that would make them laugh.
Monday, February 20, 2012
Cyprus :: CF a real reflection of the Cyprus Dispute? - Page 5#p708425
Cyprus :: CF a real reflection of the Cyprus Dispute? - Page 5#p708425
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...sadly, this easy approach has teeth because it is tempting. once again, it will push those for Universal Principals out of the way, ignored because they are defended by a State which has the obligation of defending Greeks as "Greeks". this deceit on the part of those who profit from it, will not take long to become the Proxy War that Cyprus, and Cypriots, suffer, again. Turkey will have the whole island, you see.
...there is one challenge to come, vp (and all those who think that dividing the island in two is a good idea), and that is for the Cypriot Flag, let it this summer be planted everywhere people stop to have their picnics, let's see convoys of cars who circle the island, a day in their cars together. acts, not words.
...a real reflection of the Cyprus Dispute, look no further than Ledras along the Buffer Zone.
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...sadly, this easy approach has teeth because it is tempting. once again, it will push those for Universal Principals out of the way, ignored because they are defended by a State which has the obligation of defending Greeks as "Greeks". this deceit on the part of those who profit from it, will not take long to become the Proxy War that Cyprus, and Cypriots, suffer, again. Turkey will have the whole island, you see.
...there is one challenge to come, vp (and all those who think that dividing the island in two is a good idea), and that is for the Cypriot Flag, let it this summer be planted everywhere people stop to have their picnics, let's see convoys of cars who circle the island, a day in their cars together. acts, not words.
...a real reflection of the Cyprus Dispute, look no further than Ledras along the Buffer Zone.
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Cyprus :: Actions are starting for the recognition of the pseudo-state - Page 13#p707873
Cyprus :: Actions are starting for the recognition of the pseudo-state - Page 13#p707873
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Turkey is the subjugator. they tore the island apart and they still are the occupiers, illegally. indeed, the sooner we remove this cancer the better.
...perhaps the "Greeks" and the "Turks" are the same, and unlike Greeks and Turks; their aims are the same.
I have no shame in being Greek, i do not see Greece as an enemy, but i realise within this population (here, in Greece, and around the world) there are racists and bigots who speak for themselves as though they speak for all Hellenes. Turks have the same problem, so too other Nations who are confronting a world so much more mobile, having States, within these States many Nations, and within these Nations the Intolerant who resist any change, placing themselves before any other consideration by controlling the Agenda.
...as for vp, i welcome his participation on this Forum, because without him we (Greeks and Turks) would not be as inspired to defend Individual Rights and Universal Principals, nor would we have the opportunity to consider our own identites as Persons.
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Did they invade, butcher, murder, rape and continue to hold us like the 'Turks'?
...yes, they did.
Turkey is the subjugator. they tore the island apart and they still are the occupiers, illegally. indeed, the sooner we remove this cancer the better.
...perhaps the "Greeks" and the "Turks" are the same, and unlike Greeks and Turks; their aims are the same.
I have no shame in being Greek, i do not see Greece as an enemy, but i realise within this population (here, in Greece, and around the world) there are racists and bigots who speak for themselves as though they speak for all Hellenes. Turks have the same problem, so too other Nations who are confronting a world so much more mobile, having States, within these States many Nations, and within these Nations the Intolerant who resist any change, placing themselves before any other consideration by controlling the Agenda.
...as for vp, i welcome his participation on this Forum, because without him we (Greeks and Turks) would not be as inspired to defend Individual Rights and Universal Principals, nor would we have the opportunity to consider our own identites as Persons.
Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Cyprus :: New York on January 22 - Page 4
Cyprus :: New York on January 22 - Page 4
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...thanks Kikapu,
we are counting on Humanity's resolve; there is a Rule of Law.
...Mr. Ki-Moon knows who he is dealing with, nobody else bullies his security guards in New York. So far, this leader of the rest of us has shown that he is making agitations for change, he made mistakes by appearing too giving at first, in my opinion, but he shows through his patience that he is expecting from Cypriots the same realisation as his own: that first we represent ourselves as Individuals without discrimination, members of the Human Race. and, as Persons in Cyprus we have the rare and unique opportunity to change the world's political landscape by defining the word Bicommunal (and Bizonal).
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this is not a "Greek"/ "Turkish" issue.
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...thanks Kikapu,
we are counting on Humanity's resolve; there is a Rule of Law.
...Mr. Ki-Moon knows who he is dealing with, nobody else bullies his security guards in New York. So far, this leader of the rest of us has shown that he is making agitations for change, he made mistakes by appearing too giving at first, in my opinion, but he shows through his patience that he is expecting from Cypriots the same realisation as his own: that first we represent ourselves as Individuals without discrimination, members of the Human Race. and, as Persons in Cyprus we have the rare and unique opportunity to change the world's political landscape by defining the word Bicommunal (and Bizonal).
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this is not a "Greek"/ "Turkish" issue.
Saturday, January 21, 2012
...it's the manifesto thingy, again
Dear Mr. Ki-Moon,
My hope is that you will consider the value of my thinking now that a way ahead will be proposed that serves a family far bigger than "Greek" or "Turk". My hope is that you will not forget the rest of us who place Universal Principals first. The world needs a definition for Bicommunal, and now the word Bizonal. At 55, I have spent the greater part of my life remembering (Cyprus), not to forget, and to act accordingly. With the revolution of the Information Age, I beg you to google, or blogspot, repulsewarrior; that's me.
Quote:
That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.
...this much we know so far.
(at least) three governing bodies must exist for this agreement to fructify Identities for each.
In my Cyprus, the Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is defined by one Sovereign State representing me as an Individual, while there exists for these People (like me), as Persons, National Assemblies with Territorial Jurisdictions, to provide for them as Majorities a means to sustain this identity as well.
In my Cyprus, the Green Line becomes a frontier, no longer a border, because (at least for some), the displaced return as they left, as Communities. Enclaves, which pocket the whole island, offers this opportunity to Individuals by having real choices as Persons (, that will include some of the newly displaced,), with the possibility of more than two "zones" (including the needs of the Maronite and Armenian communities, Sovereignty never being a question), without tearing the fabric of the living around them, respectful to the reciprocal nature of their recognition for the special needs of the Minorities amongst them, inclusive because the diversity of each society (Turkish and Greek mostly) will expand island wide.
Cypriots rely on your abilities to remember that they may be the few in a wider complexity of the Problem, they, they need Good Governance based on the Principals of Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, and a Rule of Law.
Cyprus is an island. After all, it has never been but one, its Heritance dates back to the beginnings of Mankind, this wealth which is Humanity's cannot be dismissed, either.
Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: “Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.”, lol.
Most Warmly, I Prey you have Good Guidance.
My hope is that you will consider the value of my thinking now that a way ahead will be proposed that serves a family far bigger than "Greek" or "Turk". My hope is that you will not forget the rest of us who place Universal Principals first. The world needs a definition for Bicommunal, and now the word Bizonal. At 55, I have spent the greater part of my life remembering (Cyprus), not to forget, and to act accordingly. With the revolution of the Information Age, I beg you to google, or blogspot, repulsewarrior; that's me.
Quote:
That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.
...this much we know so far.
(at least) three governing bodies must exist for this agreement to fructify Identities for each.
In my Cyprus, the Bicommunal Bizonal Federation is defined by one Sovereign State representing me as an Individual, while there exists for these People (like me), as Persons, National Assemblies with Territorial Jurisdictions, to provide for them as Majorities a means to sustain this identity as well.
In my Cyprus, the Green Line becomes a frontier, no longer a border, because (at least for some), the displaced return as they left, as Communities. Enclaves, which pocket the whole island, offers this opportunity to Individuals by having real choices as Persons (, that will include some of the newly displaced,), with the possibility of more than two "zones" (including the needs of the Maronite and Armenian communities, Sovereignty never being a question), without tearing the fabric of the living around them, respectful to the reciprocal nature of their recognition for the special needs of the Minorities amongst them, inclusive because the diversity of each society (Turkish and Greek mostly) will expand island wide.
Cypriots rely on your abilities to remember that they may be the few in a wider complexity of the Problem, they, they need Good Governance based on the Principals of Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, and a Rule of Law.
Cyprus is an island. After all, it has never been but one, its Heritance dates back to the beginnings of Mankind, this wealth which is Humanity's cannot be dismissed, either.
Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: “Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.”, lol.
Most Warmly, I Prey you have Good Guidance.
Cyprus :: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation - Page 3#p703688
Cyprus :: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation - Page 3#p703688
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...thanks, bill.
i have avoided repeating what my elders said because i am afraid of spreading the bias that seems to have infected so many of us. once again, it is a relief to see that they spoke with reason.
na zisis...
...sighia!
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
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...thanks, bill.
i have avoided repeating what my elders said because i am afraid of spreading the bias that seems to have infected so many of us. once again, it is a relief to see that they spoke with reason.
na zisis...
...sighia!
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Friday, January 13, 2012
Occupy The Buffer Zone
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus36246-300.html
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...so it is damned if you do, damned if you don't for the interlocutors.
they fear how much this movement will grow. it is not pie in the sky, it is easy to understand; there are "Greeks", there are "Turks", there are Cypriots. the public will start to recognise that their representation as citizens of a State called Cyprus for the last fifty years have been on their own track, that the debate is invalid, that their leadership have been struggling to maintain a balance of power which keeps us as adversaries within their control.
if the youth reject the thinking that they are from mutually exclusive sets, it may be possible for them to break the cycle of their exploitation as markets (and as taxpayers). they may realise the benefit of their cooperation and other notions which represent a way of life which ends their impotence, that they are a power which is loathed by the established order as it has been defined. don't forget that what was destroyed by the Problem was a society that was very socialised, able to sustain itself mostly as village dwellers without external influences, who identified with their land and not their culture. they may realise the value of the island, and its relationship to the geography which surrounds it, they may realise that the example that they represent may be emulated; something clearly, the interlocutors wish to stop.
do not despair, it is good news. we now know that these puny nobodies cannot be ignored, and that their idea is a dangerous thing to those who wish things stay the same. i hope and pray that the bonds between them will remain, and it is my opinion the forces against them have started something which will not stop. better for the powers that exist if they had coddled the protesters, and corrupted them, but soon it will be too late for that.
...i see flags of Cyprus driving around the whole island this summer, and not hundreds but thousands who will join them.
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...so it is damned if you do, damned if you don't for the interlocutors.
they fear how much this movement will grow. it is not pie in the sky, it is easy to understand; there are "Greeks", there are "Turks", there are Cypriots. the public will start to recognise that their representation as citizens of a State called Cyprus for the last fifty years have been on their own track, that the debate is invalid, that their leadership have been struggling to maintain a balance of power which keeps us as adversaries within their control.
if the youth reject the thinking that they are from mutually exclusive sets, it may be possible for them to break the cycle of their exploitation as markets (and as taxpayers). they may realise the benefit of their cooperation and other notions which represent a way of life which ends their impotence, that they are a power which is loathed by the established order as it has been defined. don't forget that what was destroyed by the Problem was a society that was very socialised, able to sustain itself mostly as village dwellers without external influences, who identified with their land and not their culture. they may realise the value of the island, and its relationship to the geography which surrounds it, they may realise that the example that they represent may be emulated; something clearly, the interlocutors wish to stop.
do not despair, it is good news. we now know that these puny nobodies cannot be ignored, and that their idea is a dangerous thing to those who wish things stay the same. i hope and pray that the bonds between them will remain, and it is my opinion the forces against them have started something which will not stop. better for the powers that exist if they had coddled the protesters, and corrupted them, but soon it will be too late for that.
...i see flags of Cyprus driving around the whole island this summer, and not hundreds but thousands who will join them.
Thursday, December 01, 2011
Cyprus :: YFred needs your help. - Page 3#p697451
Cyprus :: YFred needs your help. - Page 3#p697451
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...YFred, bravo. Cyprus counts, and in my opinion more than a "Greekness" or a "Turkishness"; on that I think we agree.
...indeed, i hope GR will spend a day here and there, eating and drinking the food he brings to share. these small acts under a Cypriot flag send the message to those who will ultimately give words to our Expression as a People of our common bond, a love for this island and the Heritance of which we are its Stewards. i hope every week-end it grows...
I am a big fan of the words Bicommunal and Bizonal because in them I see One Unified State, as well as a responsibility by us as Individuals toward each other as Persons. Enclaves that spot the whole island provide the components that secure Free Association, Free Movement, and Expression, by providing services island-wide to the Turkish and Greek constituencies. Maronites and Armenians, in this regard, will have their own Territorial Jurisdictions, through National Assemblies, a means to represent themselves in their daily lives as a majority that provides for the minorities that live amongst them.
...what is wrong with my manifesto?
anyway, enough blahblah, Cheers!
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
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...YFred, bravo. Cyprus counts, and in my opinion more than a "Greekness" or a "Turkishness"; on that I think we agree.
...indeed, i hope GR will spend a day here and there, eating and drinking the food he brings to share. these small acts under a Cypriot flag send the message to those who will ultimately give words to our Expression as a People of our common bond, a love for this island and the Heritance of which we are its Stewards. i hope every week-end it grows...
I am a big fan of the words Bicommunal and Bizonal because in them I see One Unified State, as well as a responsibility by us as Individuals toward each other as Persons. Enclaves that spot the whole island provide the components that secure Free Association, Free Movement, and Expression, by providing services island-wide to the Turkish and Greek constituencies. Maronites and Armenians, in this regard, will have their own Territorial Jurisdictions, through National Assemblies, a means to represent themselves in their daily lives as a majority that provides for the minorities that live amongst them.
...what is wrong with my manifesto?
anyway, enough blahblah, Cheers!
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Cyprus :: Cyprus: Towards a New Negotiation Process#p692962
Cyprus :: Cyprus: Towards a New Negotiation Process#p692962
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Cyprus: Towards a New Negotiation Process
...i read the whole thing too; and it was hard to.
but, what came to mind is the fact that this is not a Greek/Turkish debate because the Greeks have no representation like "Turks", the RoC represents its Citizens as Cypriots, and as such cannot represent "Greeks", this Government is bound to demonstrate its commitment toward Universal Principals. Thus, Greeks and Turks who have a Cypriot identity are marginalised, their government having to defend a "Greek" identity, as well as the State.
...new negociation process?
three bodies to represent the adversarial positions, a wider level of negociations, where a Talat can take the table as a Cypriot toward its reform, while an Eroglu would negociate with his counterpart who is "Greek", and perhaps a "Maronite" and an "Armenian" to settle on what constitutes a National Assembly so that they are all equal; this is new (and this is bicommunal).
...also, allowing these parties (the National Assemblies) to negociate amongst themselves a Jurisdictional Territory where each obtain from each other enclaves engages the People as Persons, while as Individuals we can demonstrate the Sovereignty of the island is Cypriot, and as Humans we recognise the resettlement, at least for some, of the newly displaced, while for some of the displaced at least, as communities, there is a return as they left; this is actually old (and this is bizonal).
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
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Cyprus: Towards a New Negotiation Process
...i read the whole thing too; and it was hard to.
but, what came to mind is the fact that this is not a Greek/Turkish debate because the Greeks have no representation like "Turks", the RoC represents its Citizens as Cypriots, and as such cannot represent "Greeks", this Government is bound to demonstrate its commitment toward Universal Principals. Thus, Greeks and Turks who have a Cypriot identity are marginalised, their government having to defend a "Greek" identity, as well as the State.
...new negociation process?
three bodies to represent the adversarial positions, a wider level of negociations, where a Talat can take the table as a Cypriot toward its reform, while an Eroglu would negociate with his counterpart who is "Greek", and perhaps a "Maronite" and an "Armenian" to settle on what constitutes a National Assembly so that they are all equal; this is new (and this is bicommunal).
...also, allowing these parties (the National Assemblies) to negociate amongst themselves a Jurisdictional Territory where each obtain from each other enclaves engages the People as Persons, while as Individuals we can demonstrate the Sovereignty of the island is Cypriot, and as Humans we recognise the resettlement, at least for some, of the newly displaced, while for some of the displaced at least, as communities, there is a return as they left; this is actually old (and this is bizonal).
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Tuesday, October 18, 2011
: GOODWILL FORWARD#87799
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : GOODWILL FORWARD#87799
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...a letter to Ban Ki-Moon.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:58 am Post subject:
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Deciding as you will this July (now October), consider this: "Would Mr. Eroglu recognise Mr. Christofias as President of the Republic, if, Greeks as Persons were to found an equal form of self-representation as his own, separate from the Federal Government, but as distinctive (“Greek first, Turkish first”) in its leadership.", lol.
>, lol.
...for the record.
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Cyprus
...a letter to Ban Ki-Moon.
Monday, October 03, 2011
Cyprus :: Letter to the Permanent Members of UN Security Council#p690419
Cyprus :: Letter to the Permanent Members of UN Security Council#p690419
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sorry halil,
...look at it.
it is leading...
don't count on leading the Council; the
facts, stick to the facts. as for feelings,
...i say have joy, it is yours to lead and to choose
seek the others like you who are, who act as
Cypriots, the Island needs Freedom: not "Greeks"
and "Turks". And if there are National Assemblies
that are equal, each would have a Territorial Jurisdiction,
the self representation as Persons, but one State is
our representation undivided as Individuals united
for the Universal Principals, as Humans we seek to better.
...you believe in BBF?
...do i need to quote what we have agreed to so far?
...do i need to plead with you to read my manifesto?
hyte halil, be helpful, do you want things to remain the same?
cheers...The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
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sorry halil,
...look at it.
it is leading...
don't count on leading the Council; the
facts, stick to the facts. as for feelings,
...i say have joy, it is yours to lead and to choose
seek the others like you who are, who act as
Cypriots, the Island needs Freedom: not "Greeks"
and "Turks". And if there are National Assemblies
that are equal, each would have a Territorial Jurisdiction,
the self representation as Persons, but one State is
our representation undivided as Individuals united
for the Universal Principals, as Humans we seek to better.
...you believe in BBF?
...do i need to quote what we have agreed to so far?
...do i need to plead with you to read my manifesto?
hyte halil, be helpful, do you want things to remain the same?
cheers...The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Monday, September 19, 2011
Cyprus :: Cypriot versus Turkish - Page 5#p688733
Cyprus :: Cypriot versus Turkish - Page 5#p688733
...i am amazed at how well you spelled in this post, alemoro.
...go back a step further though, remember Denktash has been sited pretty well by every secretary geneal of the UN before Annan for having most caused delays in finding a solution; and that is over 35 years, how do you dismiss that?
...i remember the Annan Plan, and I read it, the last one, the one I've been allowed to see, after the referendum; I think that, this, rings true, and given the efforts by Turkey, 65% of the electorate voting yes, you'd know this is a poor showing.
Bravery, is not plunder, alemoro. These wicked acts to stop takes greater Courage, and if you are a believer in God by any definition, you should consider that it is the murder and mayhem that you propose which is the Ignorance Cypriots, now labelled "Greeks" and "Turks", must resist.
...alemoro, if you were Cypriot could you live in a Unitary State?
...and if you are Turcophone or Grecophone as a Person could you accept electing as well as a Federal Government, one of many (two at least) National Assemblies so that in your neighbourhood where you reside as an elector, your tax dollars effect your daily life.
...this is Bicommunal, it does not mean tearing the island in two.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
...i am amazed at how well you spelled in this post, alemoro.
...go back a step further though, remember Denktash has been sited pretty well by every secretary geneal of the UN before Annan for having most caused delays in finding a solution; and that is over 35 years, how do you dismiss that?
...i remember the Annan Plan, and I read it, the last one, the one I've been allowed to see, after the referendum; I think that, this, rings true, and given the efforts by Turkey, 65% of the electorate voting yes, you'd know this is a poor showing.
Bravery, is not plunder, alemoro. These wicked acts to stop takes greater Courage, and if you are a believer in God by any definition, you should consider that it is the murder and mayhem that you propose which is the Ignorance Cypriots, now labelled "Greeks" and "Turks", must resist.
...alemoro, if you were Cypriot could you live in a Unitary State?
...and if you are Turcophone or Grecophone as a Person could you accept electing as well as a Federal Government, one of many (two at least) National Assemblies so that in your neighbourhood where you reside as an elector, your tax dollars effect your daily life.
...this is Bicommunal, it does not mean tearing the island in two.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Thursday, July 14, 2011
,,,a letter to Ban Ki-Moon.
...indeed Antifon, it is the Constitution as it stands that is the starting point, and here lies the crux, the Communal Chamber and the method with which taxes are collected for the social works we want.
...indeed, the Constitution needs reform (it is a requirement through our EU agreement to keep our membership, no less), I agree. look carefully at my proposal, it allows for the same respect, within National Assemblies, to be offered to Maronites and Armenians within our Sovereign State because it is based on Universal Principals. "mixed" communities will mostly exist, as urban settings, (and) as our integration into the EU matures, our municipalities will be better served when the equality of the Communities is demonstrated by each's abilities in sustaining an Identity, while recognising the reciprocal need to provide for the special needs of Minorities amongst them.
please note:
-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.
...in either case (the Constitution, and my manifesto) there is this bicommunal Principal.
as you know, things can never return to the way they were. now, as then, we must choose to make things better. if as Greeks and Turks we can engage in an effort which can sustain the ability we have to serve in social-exchange with our neighbouring global partners, Cyprus as an island gains its Freedom. if within this context we can amongst ourselves demonstrate the same sense of respect and Goodwill as Persons, Cypriots will gain their Freedom.
...then there are the displaced, and the settlers, reality on the ground, they need for us to recognise them as Human beings; what is wrong with enclaves (they repopulate, they secure our Right to Free Movement and Association,) to end the use of the Green Line as a border?
...then as now we end the Subjugation of Nations, one over the other, with Statehood (, and Grace). Ataturks dream before the Kemalist regime would revive, so too this Bicommunal definition when applied in the Middle East, Jerusalem a Capital that houses more than one governing body while Palestians in some geographic context remain enclaved Jews too would live amongst Arabs, or Kosovo in a Greater Serbia with Herzigovina (sorry for the spelling), or Iraq; it allows for people who respect that in their Identity they live as Individuals as well as Persons, their political representation naturally should reflect these facts.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
...indeed, the Constitution needs reform (it is a requirement through our EU agreement to keep our membership, no less), I agree. look carefully at my proposal, it allows for the same respect, within National Assemblies, to be offered to Maronites and Armenians within our Sovereign State because it is based on Universal Principals. "mixed" communities will mostly exist, as urban settings, (and) as our integration into the EU matures, our municipalities will be better served when the equality of the Communities is demonstrated by each's abilities in sustaining an Identity, while recognising the reciprocal need to provide for the special needs of Minorities amongst them.
please note:
-a federal government must exist.
-a Turkish Cypriot constituent state must exist.
-a Greek Cypriot constituent state must exist.
...in either case (the Constitution, and my manifesto) there is this bicommunal Principal.
as you know, things can never return to the way they were. now, as then, we must choose to make things better. if as Greeks and Turks we can engage in an effort which can sustain the ability we have to serve in social-exchange with our neighbouring global partners, Cyprus as an island gains its Freedom. if within this context we can amongst ourselves demonstrate the same sense of respect and Goodwill as Persons, Cypriots will gain their Freedom.
...then there are the displaced, and the settlers, reality on the ground, they need for us to recognise them as Human beings; what is wrong with enclaves (they repopulate, they secure our Right to Free Movement and Association,) to end the use of the Green Line as a border?
...then as now we end the Subjugation of Nations, one over the other, with Statehood (, and Grace). Ataturks dream before the Kemalist regime would revive, so too this Bicommunal definition when applied in the Middle East, Jerusalem a Capital that houses more than one governing body while Palestians in some geographic context remain enclaved Jews too would live amongst Arabs, or Kosovo in a Greater Serbia with Herzigovina (sorry for the spelling), or Iraq; it allows for people who respect that in their Identity they live as Individuals as well as Persons, their political representation naturally should reflect these facts.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Wednesday, April 27, 2011
Greece withdraws from World Children's Games
...of course you are completely correct mr. k. that is the perfect coup, a Cyprus flag flying on Turkish soil, as though there is peace, at least tolerance and understanding, united like during earthquakes and forest fires, but for children.
...forgive me so cynical, i remember the passion "Turks" have for flags, i remember Solomou, so your suggestion is like a dream to me, and probably unthinkable as a danger to this Turkish (deep state) design, giving other countries time to think where their children would be going to.
MrH, this is a tempest in a tea pot brewed for your consumption, it could have gone no other way without a complete loss of Integrity by Greece. you may be happy that this incident reads well in Turkey, but Cypriots and Greeks are your friends where you have very few and where the adversaries are not so easily dismissed (and none of them will forget such behaviour). while the Government plays for your attention the stagnation remains, in their movement forward (as followers of the Principals founded by the peoples' Kemal), you like them are looking east, north and south, but not west for some positive results.
cheers.
...forgive me so cynical, i remember the passion "Turks" have for flags, i remember Solomou, so your suggestion is like a dream to me, and probably unthinkable as a danger to this Turkish (deep state) design, giving other countries time to think where their children would be going to.
MrH, this is a tempest in a tea pot brewed for your consumption, it could have gone no other way without a complete loss of Integrity by Greece. you may be happy that this incident reads well in Turkey, but Cypriots and Greeks are your friends where you have very few and where the adversaries are not so easily dismissed (and none of them will forget such behaviour). while the Government plays for your attention the stagnation remains, in their movement forward (as followers of the Principals founded by the peoples' Kemal), you like them are looking east, north and south, but not west for some positive results.
cheers.
Sunday, February 27, 2011
wot's the roc doing?
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bir is right, if we are talking about class warfare, "Greeks" want control of all of Cyprus, "Turks" just want control of the Turks. But this debate is in a world where People are Persons; their Individuality is decided within these mono clonal lots.
...is this the case?
only if we are not Citizens of the World, or without a Family of Man...
...if we, Cypriots, cannot recognise the need for a definition to the word Bicommunal which can be generalised, emulated by the rest of Mankind, then Multiculturilism is not a failure, we are the failure. "Greeks" and "Turks" are an important element in our respective societies. However, their "right" to our agenda is not an exclusiveity. Needless to say, we, the Greeks and Turks (etc.) must recognise that our power is in changing the debate to permit the possibility that as Individuals of whatever creed and colour, we stand united for Universal Principals. And in Cyprus as Persons we sustain our needs as Persons as well.
(please read my manifesto)
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
bir is right, if we are talking about class warfare, "Greeks" want control of all of Cyprus, "Turks" just want control of the Turks. But this debate is in a world where People are Persons; their Individuality is decided within these mono clonal lots.
...is this the case?
only if we are not Citizens of the World, or without a Family of Man...
...if we, Cypriots, cannot recognise the need for a definition to the word Bicommunal which can be generalised, emulated by the rest of Mankind, then Multiculturilism is not a failure, we are the failure. "Greeks" and "Turks" are an important element in our respective societies. However, their "right" to our agenda is not an exclusiveity. Needless to say, we, the Greeks and Turks (etc.) must recognise that our power is in changing the debate to permit the possibility that as Individuals of whatever creed and colour, we stand united for Universal Principals. And in Cyprus as Persons we sustain our needs as Persons as well.
(please read my manifesto)
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Thursday, February 10, 2011
Digging the past in search of the future - Cyprus Mail
Digging the past in search of the future - Cyprus Mail
...there may be at least two Nations who have a claim on this island, where their living enriches them, as Cypriots. Yet as the island dwellers who have lived and loved here for so, so long, dismissed, suddenly in an interlocutory war as "Greeks" and "Turks", for the first time torn apart, those who love and their land to keep; lol, modern warfare.
But beyond that, we have the choice to demonstrate Humanity, to the rest of Mankind, an example to be followed in a Family of Man. Our obligation to them, if as a People we wish to share in Greatness, is the word, Bicommunal, which in this sense very powerful, and, we must define it, because it can provide in all our lives the balance we need, as an Individual equal in a desire for Freedom with anyone, and as a Person where we share to sustain in a common distinction.
Aziz, to think Bicommunal you must think three (at least) governing bodies; would you be satisfied to live as a Cypriot in a Unitary State, if in their own territorial Jurisdictions, Turks, Greeks, Maronites, Armenians, (and maybe Romes), are equal in their abilities to Act, sustaining their own Identities in National Assemblies that provide the daily infrastructure their electors benefit from, like: hospitals, schools, municipalities, and Civil regulation.
Aziz, if there were "Greek" enclaves in the north, isn't it only fair because "Turkish" enclaves will prosper in the south; we can repopulate without moving the Green line. If there is one Cyprus, isn't it possible for the National Assemblies to be made up of components, for some island-wide, so that their Citizens' Free Movement and Association is Guaranteed, if they choose to live as a Minority, or not.
...two questions i'd like to hear answers from you, and in general from others.
We dig in the past, but in the end we are all dead. The future, if we do not embrace change, our stagnation will kill us.
...there may be at least two Nations who have a claim on this island, where their living enriches them, as Cypriots. Yet as the island dwellers who have lived and loved here for so, so long, dismissed, suddenly in an interlocutory war as "Greeks" and "Turks", for the first time torn apart, those who love and their land to keep; lol, modern warfare.
But beyond that, we have the choice to demonstrate Humanity, to the rest of Mankind, an example to be followed in a Family of Man. Our obligation to them, if as a People we wish to share in Greatness, is the word, Bicommunal, which in this sense very powerful, and, we must define it, because it can provide in all our lives the balance we need, as an Individual equal in a desire for Freedom with anyone, and as a Person where we share to sustain in a common distinction.
Aziz, to think Bicommunal you must think three (at least) governing bodies; would you be satisfied to live as a Cypriot in a Unitary State, if in their own territorial Jurisdictions, Turks, Greeks, Maronites, Armenians, (and maybe Romes), are equal in their abilities to Act, sustaining their own Identities in National Assemblies that provide the daily infrastructure their electors benefit from, like: hospitals, schools, municipalities, and Civil regulation.
Aziz, if there were "Greek" enclaves in the north, isn't it only fair because "Turkish" enclaves will prosper in the south; we can repopulate without moving the Green line. If there is one Cyprus, isn't it possible for the National Assemblies to be made up of components, for some island-wide, so that their Citizens' Free Movement and Association is Guaranteed, if they choose to live as a Minority, or not.
...two questions i'd like to hear answers from you, and in general from others.
We dig in the past, but in the end we are all dead. The future, if we do not embrace change, our stagnation will kill us.
Thursday, December 23, 2010
Christofias: no solution without unity
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Quote:
"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."
...so much we know: a federal government, a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state; count them, three.
Should we accept that Bicommunal means Unity as Individuals, (equals as such without distinction, as a State), while as Persons we sustain in two (or more) National Assemblies an identity as Majorities (who recognise and respect the special needs of the minorities amongst them)?
This infrastructure can be provided island wide if "enclaves" were introduced to the political geography of today, spotting the whole island, so that it would be possible to return at least some of the displaced as they were forced to leave, as communities; this would be Bizonal: a State Sovereign, and territorial Jurisdictions.
No, we cannot let Turkey retain control of an agenda which divides us as "Greeks" and "Turks" because our responsibilities are to the greater Family of Mankind and the Universal Principals which as Humans, as Cypriots, we seek to better.
Quote:
"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."
...so much we know: a federal government, a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state; count them, three.
Should we accept that Bicommunal means Unity as Individuals, (equals as such without distinction, as a State), while as Persons we sustain in two (or more) National Assemblies an identity as Majorities (who recognise and respect the special needs of the minorities amongst them)?
This infrastructure can be provided island wide if "enclaves" were introduced to the political geography of today, spotting the whole island, so that it would be possible to return at least some of the displaced as they were forced to leave, as communities; this would be Bizonal: a State Sovereign, and territorial Jurisdictions.
No, we cannot let Turkey retain control of an agenda which divides us as "Greeks" and "Turks" because our responsibilities are to the greater Family of Mankind and the Universal Principals which as Humans, as Cypriots, we seek to better.
Wednesday, December 22, 2010
टोपिक:STRUGGLE AND MARTYRS’ WEEK
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Thank-you Mr B., well, well said...
...indeed, our commitment is to Humanity in essence. When we define our freedom by Principals that are Universal, defining them in a way which is Bicommunal (and now Bizonal) for this larger Family to emulate, like "Greek"/"Turk", this fear overcome, so too for others.
...if we find a definition for Bizonal, which does not tear this island in two (like it is today), and a solution which is Bicommunal (meaning there is a State and additionally, beyond our Individuality, particular, equal, National representations for People as Persons), minorities will have to be respected and recognised as having special needs reciprocally.
...what is wrong with the thinking that Bicommunal can mean anything other than two, knowing one is not enough and many is more expensive to taxpayers, why not choose to build on the potential because the EU opens doors, mobility both ways, so too the hope of Peace in the Middle East, and with our closest neighbour, or an end to the scourge in Africa, our population grows, our demographics as a population changes; but what am i dreaming, Cyprus is a desert in forty years, what me worry?
cheers, http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31695
Bananiot wrote:
Halil, I long for the day when both communities can find the strength to apologise to each other for all the misery each one caused to the other during those bloody years that eventually shaped events in Cyprus and brought our country to the brink of partition.
One of the reasons I support fraternity and peace is the fact that another round of hostilities will still not solve our problem. Simply, it will prepare the ground for the next round. The more the rounds the more the dead. The Minotaur of blood can never quash his thirst for blood and more blood.
If we are clever we should not fall for the war cries of the sick nationalists who have the interest of the Minotaur at heart. The majority of Cypriots are good people and if they set the sights on peace, we can get there. Together, brothers in arms, for the happy future of Cyprus. There is enough room for all of us and we have so much to learn from each other and also teach the mother countries!
Thank-you Mr B., well, well said...
...indeed, our commitment is to Humanity in essence. When we define our freedom by Principals that are Universal, defining them in a way which is Bicommunal (and now Bizonal) for this larger Family to emulate, like "Greek"/"Turk", this fear overcome, so too for others.
...if we find a definition for Bizonal, which does not tear this island in two (like it is today), and a solution which is Bicommunal (meaning there is a State and additionally, beyond our Individuality, particular, equal, National representations for People as Persons), minorities will have to be respected and recognised as having special needs reciprocally.
...what is wrong with the thinking that Bicommunal can mean anything other than two, knowing one is not enough and many is more expensive to taxpayers, why not choose to build on the potential because the EU opens doors, mobility both ways, so too the hope of Peace in the Middle East, and with our closest neighbour, or an end to the scourge in Africa, our population grows, our demographics as a population changes; but what am i dreaming, Cyprus is a desert in forty years, what me worry?
cheers, http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=31695
Wednesday, November 10, 2010
Turkish Envoy Causes...
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...i would ask Mr. Tezcan if in Turkey, there are examples of this "Integration" he suggests is lacking toward Immigrants in Europe.
...he should do well learning that there exists identities of Persons, but that in Modern States, as Individuals the People stand united for a Greatness that goes beyond their Nations.
in my humble opinion Ataturk rumbles in his grave, with what Kemalists are doing. it is a stagnation of thought that has left them divided, unstable, looking eastward without a western face
...i would ask Mr. Tezcan if in Turkey, there are examples of this "Integration" he suggests is lacking toward Immigrants in Europe.
...he should do well learning that there exists identities of Persons, but that in Modern States, as Individuals the People stand united for a Greatness that goes beyond their Nations.
in my humble opinion Ataturk rumbles in his grave, with what Kemalists are doing. it is a stagnation of thought that has left them divided, unstable, looking eastward without a western face
Sunday, November 07, 2010
Why Multiculturalism Doesn't Work
...yup, mobility.
welcome to the Human race.
sorry arse, get used to the cold wind
we'rd would blow, tain't Kansas anymore.
English. do you know there is an ethnosphere?
nearly extinct, and more devastating; ecosphere (lol)
and yet, not being constructive, playful, no society
here, is embracing the Information Age with their efforts
for language, their language more transparent to many.
there is the melting pot, and mosaics, choose
your giving, welcoming the rest of the world
and engineer what is in science, right. not "Greek"
not "Turkish" if we
resist the fear, we do not forget the reason
men (and women) die, that there are greater
enemies amongst ourselves.
we are lucky, being
bicommunal, but we haven't figured what it means
what when we embrace the future imagine
arab greekcypriots, jewish turkishcypriot; what's
wrong with that? what's wrong with arab turkishcypriots, and jewish greekcypriots? think three, or four thousand
years ago, think not so long ago. we survive
because we are facilitators for three continents'
social exchange; this is Cypriot.
no need to bore you, but read my manifesto.
cheers!
welcome to the Human race.
sorry arse, get used to the cold wind
we'rd would blow, tain't Kansas anymore.
English. do you know there is an ethnosphere?
nearly extinct, and more devastating; ecosphere (lol)
and yet, not being constructive, playful, no society
here, is embracing the Information Age with their efforts
for language, their language more transparent to many.
there is the melting pot, and mosaics, choose
your giving, welcoming the rest of the world
and engineer what is in science, right. not "Greek"
not "Turkish" if we
resist the fear, we do not forget the reason
men (and women) die, that there are greater
enemies amongst ourselves.
we are lucky, being
bicommunal, but we haven't figured what it means
what when we embrace the future imagine
arab greekcypriots, jewish turkishcypriot; what's
wrong with that? what's wrong with arab turkishcypriots, and jewish greekcypriots? think three, or four thousand
years ago, think not so long ago. we survive
because we are facilitators for three continents'
social exchange; this is Cypriot.
no need to bore you, but read my manifesto.
cheers!
Tuesday, March 02, 2010
Todays visit to Famagusta-very depressing.....
...my family stayed because they believed in their neighbours, many, my uncles and cousins disappeared, but that does not diminish my love for those who love as well, only the murderers that they have to live with, now, who chose this opportunity to plunder.
...and, i know that we are still friends (even with the gates closed we found ways to communicate), close to our village, our customs, and our land.
we were not "greeks"or "turks", we were farmers, we sustained ourselves, respectful and giving people, a "mixed" village according to the subjugators who came and went.
indeed, politics was a world away, even with modern devices, we did not stray, and to this day we do not forget; it is unfortunate that turkey is no stranger to denial, even the treaty of lausanne, i believe. cash has no value without Justice, i root for the displaced who like myself choose to deny the privelage of either side to dismiss the acts which left us victims. things can't go back to the way they were, facts on the ground, things cannot stay the same, but for some at least, like the citizens of Famagusta, we ask to return as communities. you don't like greeks bir, if they are like the turks i don't like then we don't like the same people, i'd bet.
...you don't even have to be cypriot to feel that way. and most importantly the Constitution for our State, should respect these Human Values, this basically is what cannot be refused. Within a Unitary State, two National Assemblies which have as components a number of constituencies: that's BBF.
cheers!
...oh and, please read my manifesto.
(thanks.)
Tuesday, December 29, 2009
TC teachers offer Greek lessons
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=532114#५३२११४
...in a society such as that in Cyprus, one would hope that their government can sustain a multi-cultural ability; english, greek, french, turkish, why not maronite, (and armenian)। with the Information Age, we will have to learn to compete by producing the Bits and Bytes its process demands। thus, Having many (or several) Official Languages allows a Society to increase this quantity by refining their functionality so that their usage, one with the other is transparent, if Cypriots think futuristicly, they must prepare themselves to be functional in as many languages as possible: this is Bicommunal ;a commitment which was made on the Principal that all men are equal, and that our equality is measured by the diversity of our traits। ...with language there is land, and in the end: there will be National Assemblies, and enclaves spotting the entire island; ...think what we can do sustaining ourselves as Persons if instead of tearing the island into two adversarial forces, there exists a diversity of populations within each of the elected bodies to compete for its attentions। as a People, as Cypriots, as this island's dwellers; its Steward. represented by a State; one hopes that it leads in defending our Rights as Individuals, and that we emulate as people, as a People, as equals in a fight, for these Rights and their betterment. ...since we spoke of the Armed Forces, one would hope that there will be "Turks" as well as "Sri Lankens" in its roster, with an ability to react quickly as a global partner, and to contribute the acute actions that would be necessary to mitigate the suffering caused by natural disaster and human turmoil. poh pooh on that guy who calls himselfMuslimand doesn't wantto fight other Muslims in my Cyprus. The enemy is: Ignorance, lawless plunder, natural disaster, ...and any interlocutor who seeks our subjugation; not "greeks" not "turks", but any body of people who dismiss the Sovereignty of Cypriots on Cyprus. ...you guys don't seem to grasp the demographics of this island even in the medium term (90 years); forget the short term (fifty years), as the builders of a new Constitution. ...if this is the "Birth" that Mr. Talat was talking about he was not wrong... op, english is not fine. english is the biggest threat, to the diversity of Humanity's Peoples. Greek, which is so functional as a language hopefully is experiencing a revival because with its population dwindling, relative to the total population of the earth, it will become all the more difficult to sustain. let's not forget that 90% of the world's population speaks English, but let's remember that 90% of this population has a mother tongue which is not english.
...please read, reread my manifesto, enclaves is not a dirty word, the population of Cyprus is 12 million।
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
...in a society such as that in Cyprus, one would hope that their government can sustain a multi-cultural ability; english, greek, french, turkish, why not maronite, (and armenian)। with the Information Age, we will have to learn to compete by producing the Bits and Bytes its process demands। thus, Having many (or several) Official Languages allows a Society to increase this quantity by refining their functionality so that their usage, one with the other is transparent, if Cypriots think futuristicly, they must prepare themselves to be functional in as many languages as possible: this is Bicommunal ;a commitment which was made on the Principal that all men are equal, and that our equality is measured by the diversity of our traits। ...with language there is land, and in the end: there will be National Assemblies, and enclaves spotting the entire island; ...think what we can do sustaining ourselves as Persons if instead of tearing the island into two adversarial forces, there exists a diversity of populations within each of the elected bodies to compete for its attentions। as a People, as Cypriots, as this island's dwellers; its Steward. represented by a State; one hopes that it leads in defending our Rights as Individuals, and that we emulate as people, as a People, as equals in a fight, for these Rights and their betterment. ...since we spoke of the Armed Forces, one would hope that there will be "Turks" as well as "Sri Lankens" in its roster, with an ability to react quickly as a global partner, and to contribute the acute actions that would be necessary to mitigate the suffering caused by natural disaster and human turmoil. poh pooh on that guy who calls himselfMuslimand doesn't wantto fight other Muslims in my Cyprus. The enemy is: Ignorance, lawless plunder, natural disaster, ...and any interlocutor who seeks our subjugation; not "greeks" not "turks", but any body of people who dismiss the Sovereignty of Cypriots on Cyprus. ...you guys don't seem to grasp the demographics of this island even in the medium term (90 years); forget the short term (fifty years), as the builders of a new Constitution. ...if this is the "Birth" that Mr. Talat was talking about he was not wrong... op, english is not fine. english is the biggest threat, to the diversity of Humanity's Peoples. Greek, which is so functional as a language hopefully is experiencing a revival because with its population dwindling, relative to the total population of the earth, it will become all the more difficult to sustain. let's not forget that 90% of the world's population speaks English, but let's remember that 90% of this population has a mother tongue which is not english.
...please read, reread my manifesto, enclaves is not a dirty word, the population of Cyprus is 12 million।
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Saturday, October 04, 2008
News from Northern Cyprus
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...for the first time in a long time, i have not read two speeches one conjoined to the other, that demonstrate what makes an end to the solitudes of this people now isolated from each other so impossible three months from now, with the start of 2009.
However within the components of these speeches we have clues as to how a Federal system of government will divide the Jurisdictions, between itself and the National Assemblies which must be created for there to exist a Bicommunal nature in our politic, a Principal we are commited to as a State.
the issue of missing persons
education
Cypriot Patrimony
"property issue", the displaced
isolation
these are issues that are important to both parties, albeit from different perspectives.
"As the Turkish Cypriot side, we want to establish a new partnership state in Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples and which is composed of two constituent states of equal status. We believe that Cyprus could be unified under such a framework and that we can stand before the world with a single international identity", says Talat.
Christofias said, that Turkey must contribute to the process in a positive way, adding that he expects Ankara to rise to the occasion and fulfil its obligations arising from its efforts to join the EU. Turkey refuses to recognise the ‘Republic of Cyprus’, which joined the EU in May 2004, and has yet to open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot flagged vessels and aircraft, as demanded by the EU.
thus: two National Assemblies, one State; three governments, one Cyprus.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
...for the first time in a long time, i have not read two speeches one conjoined to the other, that demonstrate what makes an end to the solitudes of this people now isolated from each other so impossible three months from now, with the start of 2009.
However within the components of these speeches we have clues as to how a Federal system of government will divide the Jurisdictions, between itself and the National Assemblies which must be created for there to exist a Bicommunal nature in our politic, a Principal we are commited to as a State.
the issue of missing persons
education
Cypriot Patrimony
"property issue", the displaced
isolation
these are issues that are important to both parties, albeit from different perspectives.
"As the Turkish Cypriot side, we want to establish a new partnership state in Cyprus, based on the political equality of the two peoples and which is composed of two constituent states of equal status. We believe that Cyprus could be unified under such a framework and that we can stand before the world with a single international identity", says Talat.
Christofias said, that Turkey must contribute to the process in a positive way, adding that he expects Ankara to rise to the occasion and fulfil its obligations arising from its efforts to join the EU. Turkey refuses to recognise the ‘Republic of Cyprus’, which joined the EU in May 2004, and has yet to open its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot flagged vessels and aircraft, as demanded by the EU.
thus: two National Assemblies, one State; three governments, one Cyprus.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Thursday, October 02, 2008
WHAT A MESS
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... whatever the form, I can only see this Qualification (TC or GC) as a way for the authorities (as a single government bicommunal State) to serve this newborn better in the future.
The child is born Cypriot. Many have attested to this in this thread, through their own identity cards.
...having any other choice is what surprises me., (same, same, other)
and if, for whatever reason, two Greek Cypriots decide to claim their child is Turkish Cypriot in another incident, has society a reason to restrict this choice, should it consider promoting these values for its own diversity, or should it act to defend these individuals and their Freewill (simply put) against malice.
zan, it seems you want a perfect system by pointing fingers,...
very few systems are perfect.
...when a man has a panel that needs fixing, and he has many panels,
do you tell him to tear it all out,
without thinking of modernising? (and the cost)
your soul is bruised forever, mine too
there is the panel.
i do wish you would reconsider your view on land usage
at issue is redress to all the displaced, not money
acts. humility and Grace
what is better than communities reborn?
and what is wrong with enclaves?
... whatever the form, I can only see this Qualification (TC or GC) as a way for the authorities (as a single government bicommunal State) to serve this newborn better in the future.
The child is born Cypriot. Many have attested to this in this thread, through their own identity cards.
...having any other choice is what surprises me., (same, same, other)
and if, for whatever reason, two Greek Cypriots decide to claim their child is Turkish Cypriot in another incident, has society a reason to restrict this choice, should it consider promoting these values for its own diversity, or should it act to defend these individuals and their Freewill (simply put) against malice.
zan, it seems you want a perfect system by pointing fingers,...
very few systems are perfect.
...when a man has a panel that needs fixing, and he has many panels,
do you tell him to tear it all out,
without thinking of modernising? (and the cost)
your soul is bruised forever, mine too
there is the panel.
i do wish you would reconsider your view on land usage
at issue is redress to all the displaced, not money
acts. humility and Grace
what is better than communities reborn?
and what is wrong with enclaves?
Saturday, July 26, 2008
Chistofias Demetris, a letter sent today
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=332895#332895
In our modern State, the intent of having enclaves is not segregation. Rather it is the integration of the seperate systems which presently exist. Nowhere in the Republic will there exist an exclusivity which limits residency. However, the Jurisdiction of the National Assemblies will have an implicit obligation as a majority (as well as explicit obligations as a Government) to represent their inclusiveness as a society; providing their services in a primary language first, but with the ability to sustain an equal service, for the special needs of the minorities that are amongst them.
Enclaves will mean more diversity in each culture, and as a whole, Cypriots can see themselves as a socialistic people. In the most cynical applications, enclaves will become development projects by these governmental authorities for a monetary gain much like profit. However, as communities they will still grow and distinguish themselves with their own unique identities.
Magnus and O (who knows my views already) my first choice is quite like your own, but in a practical sense our choices exclude this option. We are the Vanguard for a kind of social engineering, and it is with this objective that we must define bicommunal and bizonal, so that other (like Palestinians and Isrealis) adversaries may have a model from which they can emulate.
Enclaves does not mean a closed society with its barriers. It has more to do with quality of life, like a township, adding to the variety we have to our pusuit of happiness in our lives.
kurupetos, why would you choose partition? is there another choice that is better?
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
In our modern State, the intent of having enclaves is not segregation. Rather it is the integration of the seperate systems which presently exist. Nowhere in the Republic will there exist an exclusivity which limits residency. However, the Jurisdiction of the National Assemblies will have an implicit obligation as a majority (as well as explicit obligations as a Government) to represent their inclusiveness as a society; providing their services in a primary language first, but with the ability to sustain an equal service, for the special needs of the minorities that are amongst them.
Enclaves will mean more diversity in each culture, and as a whole, Cypriots can see themselves as a socialistic people. In the most cynical applications, enclaves will become development projects by these governmental authorities for a monetary gain much like profit. However, as communities they will still grow and distinguish themselves with their own unique identities.
Magnus and O (who knows my views already) my first choice is quite like your own, but in a practical sense our choices exclude this option. We are the Vanguard for a kind of social engineering, and it is with this objective that we must define bicommunal and bizonal, so that other (like Palestinians and Isrealis) adversaries may have a model from which they can emulate.
Enclaves does not mean a closed society with its barriers. It has more to do with quality of life, like a township, adding to the variety we have to our pusuit of happiness in our lives.
kurupetos, why would you choose partition? is there another choice that is better?
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Saturday, July 12, 2008
good will gesture
;
Nikitas wrote:
"let me see now, Nicosia, Larnaca, Paphos, Lakatamia, Ercan, Lefkoniko, Akrotiri, all these are airports in an island of approximately 150 by 60 miles. Best goodwill gesture would be to shut all of them down, renovate Nicosia airport and rehabilitate the rest back to their natural state. Goodwill in our case is offering tangible proof that Cypriots love Cyprus and that involves practical things and not theory."
Taking advantage of this island's geographic position will mean providing for a population of 12 million inhabitants (in 200 years). Becoming this Hub, is natural in a socio-economic sense. It is why Mankind can trace its roots to Neolithic times, here, and in relation to the populations which surround Cyprus this is even more important, because few can demonstrate a Society which has a better Rule of Law and Good Governance, presently.
Having so many airports, (perhaps bigger or more in the future) is an idea which if profitable, may mean enourmous revenues for the State (and its partners) from them, directly, but the consequences some time in the future will require this "point" to be supra militarised, so that yes, for travelers all over the world, they will say, "transfering in Cyprus", (rather than an Airport's name,) going to anywhere ...
...think positively for a second, Turkey, a member of an EU that is 50-100 years older, Jerusalem at peace, and across the wider shore, Africa, free from hunger. Nice picture for us to live in, where we are, huh?
...now imagine the affects of Global Warming (and Ocean Acidification), how will we survive as a desert?
We must become "big" enough in any case to make our island a garden.
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Nikitas wrote:
"let me see now, Nicosia, Larnaca, Paphos, Lakatamia, Ercan, Lefkoniko, Akrotiri, all these are airports in an island of approximately 150 by 60 miles. Best goodwill gesture would be to shut all of them down, renovate Nicosia airport and rehabilitate the rest back to their natural state. Goodwill in our case is offering tangible proof that Cypriots love Cyprus and that involves practical things and not theory."
Taking advantage of this island's geographic position will mean providing for a population of 12 million inhabitants (in 200 years). Becoming this Hub, is natural in a socio-economic sense. It is why Mankind can trace its roots to Neolithic times, here, and in relation to the populations which surround Cyprus this is even more important, because few can demonstrate a Society which has a better Rule of Law and Good Governance, presently.
Having so many airports, (perhaps bigger or more in the future) is an idea which if profitable, may mean enourmous revenues for the State (and its partners) from them, directly, but the consequences some time in the future will require this "point" to be supra militarised, so that yes, for travelers all over the world, they will say, "transfering in Cyprus", (rather than an Airport's name,) going to anywhere ...
...think positively for a second, Turkey, a member of an EU that is 50-100 years older, Jerusalem at peace, and across the wider shore, Africa, free from hunger. Nice picture for us to live in, where we are, huh?
...now imagine the affects of Global Warming (and Ocean Acidification), how will we survive as a desert?
We must become "big" enough in any case to make our island a garden.
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Monday, June 30, 2008
II. HRISOSTOMOS: ‘WE MUST NOT BE AFRAID OF THE PARTITION’
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enclaves in the north for Greek Cypriots living in them, returning as communities. enclaves in the south, a demonstration of the same Goodwill, and to make peace as a demonstration of our respect for Basic Human Rights.
Two National Assemblies, equal in their Rights as Jurisdiction, each with territories where they provide a Service for its majority, through self representation, first for having the capacity to sustain themselves, and with a sense of respect for inclusiveness, able to serve others with the recognition of many minorities, providing for their special needs as well.
in such an environment, a State is called for which Unites us as this island's dwellers, its People, and its Stewards, which is strong, counterbalancing the bias of its demographics to set Universal Standards, now and in the future, to have the capacity to represent as one People, the People, as Cypriots, to defend us as Sovereign in our choices and our rights, and to defend our Individual Rights, with Rights, within a Community.
three governments, ...as Bicommunal as you can get.
go ahead, divide the island into plots, make the deal somewhere between 18-30%, but please, don't do it because its good for "Turks" or "Greeks", do it because it makes all our lives better; more mobility, more expression and most important, more association.
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
enclaves in the north for Greek Cypriots living in them, returning as communities. enclaves in the south, a demonstration of the same Goodwill, and to make peace as a demonstration of our respect for Basic Human Rights.
Two National Assemblies, equal in their Rights as Jurisdiction, each with territories where they provide a Service for its majority, through self representation, first for having the capacity to sustain themselves, and with a sense of respect for inclusiveness, able to serve others with the recognition of many minorities, providing for their special needs as well.
in such an environment, a State is called for which Unites us as this island's dwellers, its People, and its Stewards, which is strong, counterbalancing the bias of its demographics to set Universal Standards, now and in the future, to have the capacity to represent as one People, the People, as Cypriots, to defend us as Sovereign in our choices and our rights, and to defend our Individual Rights, with Rights, within a Community.
three governments, ...as Bicommunal as you can get.
go ahead, divide the island into plots, make the deal somewhere between 18-30%, but please, don't do it because its good for "Turks" or "Greeks", do it because it makes all our lives better; more mobility, more expression and most important, more association.
________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Thursday, June 26, 2008
ECHR: CASE OF SOLOMOU v. TURKEY
Turks in bushes, Turks on the balcony, shots from three directions, civilians with handguns, no show (riot police?) of force in numbers, others injured after the fact by indisciminate shooting, sounds like Turks were prepared for the demonstration in a manner which could only provoke a riot, that could end only with a death.
Turkey denies, Turkey ignores their own lack of discipline, Turkey learns nothing from the incident and allows their "image" to tarnish. Turkey's reform is in stagnation and it is strangling their ability to become a Global partner.
Without the investigation (or Justice), the Army and the State demonstrate an inability to expose incompetance (and/or Criminal behaviour), toward their own betterment. For Turkish citizens, this is important.
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The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Turkey denies, Turkey ignores their own lack of discipline, Turkey learns nothing from the incident and allows their "image" to tarnish. Turkey's reform is in stagnation and it is strangling their ability to become a Global partner.
Without the investigation (or Justice), the Army and the State demonstrate an inability to expose incompetance (and/or Criminal behaviour), toward their own betterment. For Turkish citizens, this is important.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
Cypriots cannot run countries
...here is the Modern Condition: an identity to State, as well as to Nation, this the crux which must be defined for our good governance as persons, as well as individuals; an Identity as People, along with an Identity we call our own.
If the world is preparing to change, toward forms of governance which suit Mankind's mobility, Bicommunality becomes very important in this consideration. Cyprus will play a very important role in its definition because we are at the advent.
Quote:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772
...I know it will never happen, but as "perfection", tell me what is wrong with it, what is more Just?.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
If the world is preparing to change, toward forms of governance which suit Mankind's mobility, Bicommunality becomes very important in this consideration. Cyprus will play a very important role in its definition because we are at the advent.
Quote:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772
...I know it will never happen, but as "perfection", tell me what is wrong with it, what is more Just?.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Sunday, June 15, 2008
Politics and Religion ... Anathema to Both!
i fear God, this i choose. the rest of living is acts, and knowing "the way".
When I am afraid of anything else, i know that this fear can be conquered, and I embrace the changes in myself, with this Grace. (I know, to serve is to be grateful with His gift, that I have Love to give)
Religion and Politics are the same, when they are described as two faces of one coin, gravid images of a power larger than themselves (ourselves); where we came from and where we are going to...
...in my mind, Politics and Religion, (so far) are anathema to God. but i am lucky, having been introduced to Religion by way of the Greek Orthodox Church i like socialistic, and in that sense as well, it is blessing that in Canada my education expanded so that the experience is enriching with other believers, be it Atheists, Wiccans, Native People, Buddhists, etc., in a purpose that is Universal, which includes my own Freewill.
Only recently, in all of Mankind's history, with the Modern Age, have we begun to define the word Humanity. Wrong and inhuman, with the slaughter of millions in the First World War, a generation gave their lives in this Horror, knowing, believing that as Men we could no longer fight ourselves.
"LEST WE FORGET".
And in our Humility, Charity, as Humans, like THEM, we must fight with our life against the real enemy: Hunger, Disaster, Ignorance (now 'Global Warming'), and Disease.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
When I am afraid of anything else, i know that this fear can be conquered, and I embrace the changes in myself, with this Grace. (I know, to serve is to be grateful with His gift, that I have Love to give)
Religion and Politics are the same, when they are described as two faces of one coin, gravid images of a power larger than themselves (ourselves); where we came from and where we are going to...
...in my mind, Politics and Religion, (so far) are anathema to God. but i am lucky, having been introduced to Religion by way of the Greek Orthodox Church i like socialistic, and in that sense as well, it is blessing that in Canada my education expanded so that the experience is enriching with other believers, be it Atheists, Wiccans, Native People, Buddhists, etc., in a purpose that is Universal, which includes my own Freewill.
Only recently, in all of Mankind's history, with the Modern Age, have we begun to define the word Humanity. Wrong and inhuman, with the slaughter of millions in the First World War, a generation gave their lives in this Horror, knowing, believing that as Men we could no longer fight ourselves.
"LEST WE FORGET".
And in our Humility, Charity, as Humans, like THEM, we must fight with our life against the real enemy: Hunger, Disaster, Ignorance (now 'Global Warming'), and Disease.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Friday, June 13, 2008
The British Bases.
Muzzy, thanks for this debate, it is interesting.
...i think that the British Bases are an anomally which can serve a higher purpose if the intelligence they gather there is for our security in an event where the region faces threats. If they are to remain, they must reflect a policy which allows for our cooperation with Turkey, England, and NATO, partners with Cyprus to effect this work.
Turkey's "guarantee" is spurious, its credibility is suspect, because it can be seen to be self-serving. Your fear of "Greek-Cypriots", may have validity, but for the same reasons, "Greek Cypriots" fear the overwhelming size of Turkey. Turkey may have a presence on the island that is welcome, even militarily, but it requires of Turkey a recognition of a Sovereign State, which as equals apply themselves to a common goal.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
...i think that the British Bases are an anomally which can serve a higher purpose if the intelligence they gather there is for our security in an event where the region faces threats. If they are to remain, they must reflect a policy which allows for our cooperation with Turkey, England, and NATO, partners with Cyprus to effect this work.
Turkey's "guarantee" is spurious, its credibility is suspect, because it can be seen to be self-serving. Your fear of "Greek-Cypriots", may have validity, but for the same reasons, "Greek Cypriots" fear the overwhelming size of Turkey. Turkey may have a presence on the island that is welcome, even militarily, but it requires of Turkey a recognition of a Sovereign State, which as equals apply themselves to a common goal.
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind...
Williams James (1842-1910)
Tuesday, June 03, 2008
POLITICAL EQUALITY IS CRUCIAL FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS
If there is a United Republic of Cyprus, which identifies it citizens as equals, Sovereign, in its defence of their Individual Rights and the land, Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots through two National Assemblies can find the expression of their indentity as Persons to effect their behaviour as Societies. United all the dwellers stand for
Human Betterment, and apart, they will demonstrate this resolve, as their own distinct majority, in effecting these changes with their own abilities, in providing for the special needs of all minorities amongst them.
...a "northern" economy can exist, just as a "southern", however, with a better redistribution of the land, by adding enclaves to the geography, we will add to the diversity of each economy as constituent bodies. rather than tearing the island in two, we allow ourselves a chance to have no "border", although many frontiers, greater Freedom of Association, more Movement and Expression, restitution for Turkish Cypriots and for Greek Cypriots reciprocally with the return of all displaced a right, while for some return as communities, and homes for Settlers not houses, to those who will be displaced, and who have this claim by being Cypriot.
scary, huh?
Cyprus is an island. We are merely its dwellers, its Steward, whether we identify our selves as something else as well, we are Cypriots. There is dignity in that, by our Grace. This island's trees, rocks and relics, are far more important, than the pleasure we can get from it in a lifetime. It may be that our influence remains, one way or the other there is a price to pay in any act we choose, but our intention is far more important.
_________________
Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
Human Betterment, and apart, they will demonstrate this resolve, as their own distinct majority, in effecting these changes with their own abilities, in providing for the special needs of all minorities amongst them.
...a "northern" economy can exist, just as a "southern", however, with a better redistribution of the land, by adding enclaves to the geography, we will add to the diversity of each economy as constituent bodies. rather than tearing the island in two, we allow ourselves a chance to have no "border", although many frontiers, greater Freedom of Association, more Movement and Expression, restitution for Turkish Cypriots and for Greek Cypriots reciprocally with the return of all displaced a right, while for some return as communities, and homes for Settlers not houses, to those who will be displaced, and who have this claim by being Cypriot.
scary, huh?
Cyprus is an island. We are merely its dwellers, its Steward, whether we identify our selves as something else as well, we are Cypriots. There is dignity in that, by our Grace. This island's trees, rocks and relics, are far more important, than the pleasure we can get from it in a lifetime. It may be that our influence remains, one way or the other there is a price to pay in any act we choose, but our intention is far more important.
_________________
Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
The Turkish Cypriot failure at Buergenstock.
the Bicommunal conundrum is this: where is "Greek" first, and where is "Turkish" first.
...i suggest the line stays where it is and enclaves are added to the geography for the redistribution of the land, so that Two National Assemblies provide for the Citizen's displaced, and those that will be displaced, can have a sense of Justice with what is offered to them; so that in this defining act we can act as equals, in a strong central government, which defends us as Individuals, and is Sovereign in protecting our Individual Rights.
...i suggest the line stays where it is and enclaves are added to the geography for the redistribution of the land, so that Two National Assemblies provide for the Citizen's displaced, and those that will be displaced, can have a sense of Justice with what is offered to them; so that in this defining act we can act as equals, in a strong central government, which defends us as Individuals, and is Sovereign in protecting our Individual Rights.
Thursday, May 22, 2008
ONLY GREEK CYPRIOTS VOTE
...from a position of strength, one defines their demands, in an adversarial politic.
miltiades is suggesting that it is possible to break this viscious cycle, with a debate which seeks in its resolution, our realisation that in Principal we are not enemies, we are this island's dwellers, and in acts, a demonstration of our desire to unite in war against our own Ignorance, to better ourselves, against the enemies, Hunger, Disease, and Disaster.
GR is more brash, and practical, who in this debate represents the status quo.
that said, my comment again would be that there exists an equlibrium, which having a dynamic, moves. neither can sustain themselves alone, it seems a Law of Nature, (but the politics can change itself), and they find their function within a wider system. yet:
you choose,
by acts alone does this machination work.
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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
miltiades is suggesting that it is possible to break this viscious cycle, with a debate which seeks in its resolution, our realisation that in Principal we are not enemies, we are this island's dwellers, and in acts, a demonstration of our desire to unite in war against our own Ignorance, to better ourselves, against the enemies, Hunger, Disease, and Disaster.
GR is more brash, and practical, who in this debate represents the status quo.
that said, my comment again would be that there exists an equlibrium, which having a dynamic, moves. neither can sustain themselves alone, it seems a Law of Nature, (but the politics can change itself), and they find their function within a wider system. yet:
you choose,
by acts alone does this machination work.
_________________
Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
Saturday, May 03, 2008
One Response to “Northern Cyprus and Northern Kosovo
One Response to “Northern Cyprus and Northern Kosovo”
repulsewarrior Says: May 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
…the people of Cyprus can identify themselves as Cypriots, I hope, because it is an island afterall. Like ‘Kosovo’, the history of the place is far more complex than the Interlocutors would have us imagine. I can only hope that the “easy” solution of tearing this island in two is not the agreement they come to, and as in Kosovo, my hope is that the people who share the land and its Patrimony respect the efforts of those who left this Heritance, in an effort toward betterment, embraced the change within themselves to be as Individuals united in an inclusive State, while as Persons sustaining themselves.
Bi-communal in the greater Serbian context requires the efforts of Bosnia (Herzegovina), along with Serbia, as well as Kosovo, historically, if we are to compare apples with apples. As in Cyprus, or in the Middle East (Jerusalem), the land and its identity has evolved to have many facets. Two levels of Government will successfully realise the goal of People as Nations in these context. Unlike the Nationalism which is at present demonstrating our intolerance, the Nationalism of Ataturk and the founder Napoleon III, will provide for us an identity where our distinctions add to our sense of unity, because we choose to stand together, for our attachment toward our own governance as equals and to the land’s relics.
repulsewarrior Says: May 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
…the people of Cyprus can identify themselves as Cypriots, I hope, because it is an island afterall. Like ‘Kosovo’, the history of the place is far more complex than the Interlocutors would have us imagine. I can only hope that the “easy” solution of tearing this island in two is not the agreement they come to, and as in Kosovo, my hope is that the people who share the land and its Patrimony respect the efforts of those who left this Heritance, in an effort toward betterment, embraced the change within themselves to be as Individuals united in an inclusive State, while as Persons sustaining themselves.
Bi-communal in the greater Serbian context requires the efforts of Bosnia (Herzegovina), along with Serbia, as well as Kosovo, historically, if we are to compare apples with apples. As in Cyprus, or in the Middle East (Jerusalem), the land and its identity has evolved to have many facets. Two levels of Government will successfully realise the goal of People as Nations in these context. Unlike the Nationalism which is at present demonstrating our intolerance, the Nationalism of Ataturk and the founder Napoleon III, will provide for us an identity where our distinctions add to our sense of unity, because we choose to stand together, for our attachment toward our own governance as equals and to the land’s relics.
Friday, May 02, 2008
Cyprus/Turkey image: Acts; to be seen and Justice
...if there are mosques in the south
that are no more... then allow them
to be included in the shame.
of course there is
no God, and in faith there seems
to be only a Creed, and yet
your acts VP surprise me ...so dogmatic.
it is tragic because the
wealth will be divided
with what you plea
what makes our island
rich will be broken.
are you a Cypriot?
that are no more... then allow them
to be included in the shame.
of course there is
no God, and in faith there seems
to be only a Creed, and yet
your acts VP surprise me ...so dogmatic.
it is tragic because the
wealth will be divided
with what you plea
what makes our island
rich will be broken.
are you a Cypriot?
Friday, April 25, 2008
desegregation: see manifesto: for your consideration
I don't disagree with you OP, but to facilitate integration, beyond desegregation the balance requires the consideration of people as Individuals and as Persons without the bias which comes from overwhelming majorities. The distinctions act as a countervailing force against extremes. It is a cumbersome political system, compared to the purity and simplicity of your desire, except that the population of Cyprus will have to grow in to this one, while it defends all of us equally, its characteristic of sustaining a Greekness and a Turkishness will have no affect on the Government's credibility in terms of a Cypriot's representation.
Saturday, April 05, 2008
King Assassinated Today
Martin Luther King said that you can never stop. His tactic of non violence grew to a boycott which for month's on end would not sway, provoked, his house was bombed, his wife and his daughter, he remained unswayed, until he was shot in 1968. Does the civil rights movement exist? It is there, and it has changed the lives of people all over the world. He is gone, he gave us this dream, that Freedom would Reign from the mountaintops everywhere, along with the mud flats of the Mississippi. And along with his own inspiration, Mahatma Gandhi, we share in these acts if we choose to.
In Cyprus I have only been grateful that the mayhem we see around us in our region is not reflected in our daily lives with more murderous bloodshed, without bombs, and lacking the alarm from this terror which occurs other-where. It is this Hope for Justice which binds us, we have all suffered, i think that each in our own way do not want a military on the island, and i hope we can live this doctrine as an example of what is possible if we believe.
I put this topic in the Cyprus Problem discussion because we need to reflect how to bring about change. We need to be inspired because this is the time for change. The appalling silence of good people who must make this change in the face of people of ill will is a demonstration of how intolerance can make better use of time. There is no good time and no bad time for action, he said. Mr. King's fight for integration is not won, even if there is desegregation, his cause for HumanKind's betterment is far from over because the cause of this Ignorance remains.
Our fight continues, and on this day I would like you to reflect, on how you can demonstrate this commitment to non-violence yourself.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind... Williams James (1842-1910)
Cyprus: three goverments; one Capital and Free.
In Cyprus I have only been grateful that the mayhem we see around us in our region is not reflected in our daily lives with more murderous bloodshed, without bombs, and lacking the alarm from this terror which occurs other-where. It is this Hope for Justice which binds us, we have all suffered, i think that each in our own way do not want a military on the island, and i hope we can live this doctrine as an example of what is possible if we believe.
I put this topic in the Cyprus Problem discussion because we need to reflect how to bring about change. We need to be inspired because this is the time for change. The appalling silence of good people who must make this change in the face of people of ill will is a demonstration of how intolerance can make better use of time. There is no good time and no bad time for action, he said. Mr. King's fight for integration is not won, even if there is desegregation, his cause for HumanKind's betterment is far from over because the cause of this Ignorance remains.
Our fight continues, and on this day I would like you to reflect, on how you can demonstrate this commitment to non-violence yourself.
_________________
The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind... Williams James (1842-1910)
Cyprus: three goverments; one Capital and Free.
Monday, March 03, 2008
Here’s the “demilitarization” program Cyprus REALLY needs...
[quote="Oracle"]
[quote="repulsewarrior"]mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a purpose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.[/quote]
I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.[/quote]
ella OP use your imagination...
the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.
geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.
human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.
these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?
to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. our military forces, along with Turkey's, and others, like Greece and the US are better serving their interests when they build amongst themselves the lines of communication that working as allies involves. As "peacekeepers" it would be hard to imagine a "safer" place in the world.
certainly, it will be easier to build a supramilitarised capacity here, than to demilitarise the island because of its utmost importance to Turkey's defence, and because to the other interlocutors, leaving it to Cypriots exclusively seems to be entirely out of the question.
Turkey is, and will remain, in my opinion the greatest threat to all the parties that have concern in the region, with this 'floating aircraft carrier'. It has a powerful force by size and equipment, with the ambition to be dominant and to lead internationally, while its position in the geo-political spheres remains obscured by an inability to overcome the forces that oppose it, as it is risking stagnation with and inability to embrace change.
most importantly, only Malta is a smaller player, whatever 'we' can do to defend ourselves, very little can be done proportionally and by force
....although...
I think world politics is coming full circle from the denial we came to with the failings of the Great War, and the politics which came with that blind eye, ...like Grivas, a hero to guerrillas everywhere, not unlike Che who revered him, and who followed, we have Bin Laden, and his shame. all in the denial of our will to plunder as though it is valueless, life, unless it is exploited, and that it must belong. you won't get this, i know, but i'm glad to say it, i remember, i will not forget, i made that oath, to those boys who fell in their millions, for this cause, long before there was a State to think about, called Cyprus, for our Freedom, for this horror to end, through Grace. Cyprus is a way.
And it is up to us to demonstrate the Humanity that all Mankind can emulate, in their esteem.
[quote="repulsewarrior"]mighty military strength here is not a bad idea if it serves a purpose which goes beyond national borders. There are enemies of us all which needs the battle hardy: they are hunger and disease to name two.[/quote]
I am intrigued to hear, how mighty military strength can be used to fight the battles of hunger and disease.[/quote]
ella OP use your imagination...
the one thing that we have as people is the service we can offer others.
geographically we are the strategic launching point for three continents.
human tragedy, mayhem, and natural disaster are all around us.
these factors, along with the socio-economic factors that make being Human an alternative to plunder is at its advent. don't you think that the authority of the UN and like minded States would not find it inviting, this island, as a post?
to say the least, NATO in its European context would be well served by this location for the work they do against terrorists. our military forces, along with Turkey's, and others, like Greece and the US are better serving their interests when they build amongst themselves the lines of communication that working as allies involves. As "peacekeepers" it would be hard to imagine a "safer" place in the world.
certainly, it will be easier to build a supramilitarised capacity here, than to demilitarise the island because of its utmost importance to Turkey's defence, and because to the other interlocutors, leaving it to Cypriots exclusively seems to be entirely out of the question.
Turkey is, and will remain, in my opinion the greatest threat to all the parties that have concern in the region, with this 'floating aircraft carrier'. It has a powerful force by size and equipment, with the ambition to be dominant and to lead internationally, while its position in the geo-political spheres remains obscured by an inability to overcome the forces that oppose it, as it is risking stagnation with and inability to embrace change.
most importantly, only Malta is a smaller player, whatever 'we' can do to defend ourselves, very little can be done proportionally and by force
....although...
I think world politics is coming full circle from the denial we came to with the failings of the Great War, and the politics which came with that blind eye, ...like Grivas, a hero to guerrillas everywhere, not unlike Che who revered him, and who followed, we have Bin Laden, and his shame. all in the denial of our will to plunder as though it is valueless, life, unless it is exploited, and that it must belong. you won't get this, i know, but i'm glad to say it, i remember, i will not forget, i made that oath, to those boys who fell in their millions, for this cause, long before there was a State to think about, called Cyprus, for our Freedom, for this horror to end, through Grace. Cyprus is a way.
And it is up to us to demonstrate the Humanity that all Mankind can emulate, in their esteem.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
PRESIDENT TALAT CALLS ON CHRISTOFIAS TO RESUME NEGOTIATIONS
it is why i stress the need for three governing bodies: one which is Sovereign over the representation of the people united without consideration, equal, where this State defends their Individual Rights, without compromise, and two National Assemblies, who have Jurisdiction over the infrastructure which it will provide in its territory to its citizens equally in a manner where persons, as a majority can demonstrate their respect and recognition of minorities amongst them, while they act in a manner that will sustain themselves.
Saturday, February 16, 2008
partition or unity
DT. wrote:
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
I'd still would like to know what my fellow GC's feel about question I have posed. As I stated I'd prefer a united cyprus but not the way Turkey and Talat see it. I want one government with each person getting one vote.
"What I would prefer and what I would vote for are 2 different thing. I'd prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation. WHat I'd probably vote for as a compromise would be a fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive."
Please read...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874
...none of us will get what is. something completely different is necessary.
we are responsible for a great deal of tragedy, and as we all know there is no price that can be put on a Human, life. If we deny their love, the dead and missing, the hatred which grew to take their lives away wins. It is our responsibility to leave a Heritance, to the rest of Mankind. It has come to this: As Cypriots, as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, as Jews and Sri Lankans and Moronites etc. we require an identity to this island's fate.
most importantly it cannot be forgotten that, as Greeks or as Turks we have no right to its Patrimony which has existed for millenia, long before our own introduction, and I imagine, long after we are gone as well.
...as its Steward, we cannot betray this Trust.
so choose wisely, when the time comes, "partition" or "unity", because chances are that that will be the question in our next Referendum.
and as writers, i'm asking you guys, ladies and animals, to carry on with the comedy, as it is funny to read (mostly), but, to accord the most important among us, the anonymous reader to believe that we are serious, that we have at heart, the need for dialog, to create something better, perhaps which will change the world.
"prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation", ...here is perfection.
"fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive",....here is OUR Quest.
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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
GeorgeV97qaue wrote:
I'd still would like to know what my fellow GC's feel about question I have posed. As I stated I'd prefer a united cyprus but not the way Turkey and Talat see it. I want one government with each person getting one vote.
"What I would prefer and what I would vote for are 2 different thing. I'd prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation. WHat I'd probably vote for as a compromise would be a fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive."
Please read...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874
...none of us will get what is. something completely different is necessary.
we are responsible for a great deal of tragedy, and as we all know there is no price that can be put on a Human, life. If we deny their love, the dead and missing, the hatred which grew to take their lives away wins. It is our responsibility to leave a Heritance, to the rest of Mankind. It has come to this: As Cypriots, as Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, as Jews and Sri Lankans and Moronites etc. we require an identity to this island's fate.
most importantly it cannot be forgotten that, as Greeks or as Turks we have no right to its Patrimony which has existed for millenia, long before our own introduction, and I imagine, long after we are gone as well.
...as its Steward, we cannot betray this Trust.
so choose wisely, when the time comes, "partition" or "unity", because chances are that that will be the question in our next Referendum.
and as writers, i'm asking you guys, ladies and animals, to carry on with the comedy, as it is funny to read (mostly), but, to accord the most important among us, the anonymous reader to believe that we are serious, that we have at heart, the need for dialog, to create something better, perhaps which will change the world.
"prefer a democratic unitary republic with proportional representation", ...here is perfection.
"fair bi-zonal federation with the 2 zones not being ethnically exclusive",....here is OUR Quest.
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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
Saturday, February 02, 2008
The trouble is, "Greek" Cypriots aren't Greek
ufqnhd...however, there is such a thing as margins of scale; think in the long run, and in terms of living, after all, Cyprus is an island. maybe we are better off having English our Official Language, having Greek and Turkish as the 'primary' languages that this State can provide, allowing in the future for it's fluency in other languges as well. we are better off without adversarial regimes as they exist today, who occupy our thoughts with fear, and who usurp our Basic Human Rights by serving interlocutory appeals rather than the interest of the island and Humanity. This is the big difference I see with Makarios and Denktash, as leaders, and what followed; I am convinced in the two hundred years to follow, they will be revered as heros, by all Cypriots, whatever ethnicity, because in the end, their acts were for this island and its dwellers, not the Nationalism which drove them to be divided like counterweights on a scale. but both kept their eye on the single fulcrum and they were in the end united to be in its service, commited to a single cause.
It was TPap who said, as a young man, that it was impossible to imagine the island of Cyprus without a Turkish Cypriot population, that they were scattered over the whole island like grains of sand scattered over a map. Nothing more beautiful, or poetic, can be said to deduce the truth. The island requires its repopulation. Justice requires that we start with a fact like this.
i say some bad things happened, i say we got engineered, so that the sand gets blown away and the map gets torn.
I say forget about sand, scatter jewels (the enclaves), build on the value it will provide to both Societies, they (the"Greeks" and the "Turks") will provide for themselves first, of course, but they will be providing toward a population that is mobile and who's demographic can be expected to change dramatically over time as well. Although mutually exclusive, neither can ignore the other, neither can act in a manner having malice, and both are subjct to a Sovereign State, being, a reformed, Republic of Cyprus. nothing is wrong for there to exist, a Cyprus which is "Greek", or a Cyprus which is "Turkish", but for these choices to exist all Cypriots must have an identity as one, equal in their love, and equal in their commitment toward defending its Sovereignty, as an island, and as the island's dwellers, self sustaining their respect, as Turkish Cypriots and as Greek Cypriots, together, and as Cypriots, mutually; three governments, bi-communal, for their Rights as Individuals, as well as their Rights as Persons.
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Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, Free
It was TPap who said, as a young man, that it was impossible to imagine the island of Cyprus without a Turkish Cypriot population, that they were scattered over the whole island like grains of sand scattered over a map. Nothing more beautiful, or poetic, can be said to deduce the truth. The island requires its repopulation. Justice requires that we start with a fact like this.
i say some bad things happened, i say we got engineered, so that the sand gets blown away and the map gets torn.
I say forget about sand, scatter jewels (the enclaves), build on the value it will provide to both Societies, they (the"Greeks" and the "Turks") will provide for themselves first, of course, but they will be providing toward a population that is mobile and who's demographic can be expected to change dramatically over time as well. Although mutually exclusive, neither can ignore the other, neither can act in a manner having malice, and both are subjct to a Sovereign State, being, a reformed, Republic of Cyprus. nothing is wrong for there to exist, a Cyprus which is "Greek", or a Cyprus which is "Turkish", but for these choices to exist all Cypriots must have an identity as one, equal in their love, and equal in their commitment toward defending its Sovereignty, as an island, and as the island's dwellers, self sustaining their respect, as Turkish Cypriots and as Greek Cypriots, together, and as Cypriots, mutually; three governments, bi-communal, for their Rights as Individuals, as well as their Rights as Persons.
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Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, Free
Saturday, January 05, 2008
isolation, Cypriots; from each other.
erolz wrote:
Quote:
"Getting a Republic of Cyprus passport as a Turkish Cypriot if you do not already have one anyway is a practical thing for Turkish Cypriot that wish to travel and certainly since EU entry getting such from the Republic of Cyprus has increased by large amounts. Choosing to live in the Republic of Cyprus and not the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a Turkish Cypriot is much more political a choice and the benefits of doing so as a Turkish Cypriot have not changed much since before Republic of Cyprus EU entry or after it. I do not think there have been Turkish Cypriot pouring into the Republic of Cyprus to live from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus since EU accession myself"
....here is the crux.
By allowing Greek Cypriots a form of representation of self governance as a majority, the State, the Republic of Cyprus, frees itself from the bias of demographics that are overwhelming. Each National Assembly, one Turcophone and one Grecophone, will serve it's citizens as equals, each will have the responsibility to be credible as inclusive societies, respecting and recognisung the special needs of minorities amongst them. The State, as our sovereign representative, in this manner becomes stronger, better able to defend us in our external affairs, and our Individual Rights.
Land is the issue right now.
Forwhich I suggest the addition of enclaves, this time without shame, into our geography: Bizonal.
Politically, the solution has been staring at us in the face since 1960. Now that ENOSIS is won, with the introduction of the Euro a few days ago, we can say EOKA is no more. I hope the TMT will be no more as well, never forgotten, but a part of the past. Denktash and Makarios can be heros, because in the end they chose Cyprus first, and I believe they wanted the best for us. But it is up to us to look at the foundation, its original principals are strong. Thus, our modernisation, and the reform of the Constitution, from it's advent is the basis of any sustainable solution. My proposal is simple and easy to understand. One State, Two National Assemblies: Bicommunal.
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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.
Quote:
"Getting a Republic of Cyprus passport as a Turkish Cypriot if you do not already have one anyway is a practical thing for Turkish Cypriot that wish to travel and certainly since EU entry getting such from the Republic of Cyprus has increased by large amounts. Choosing to live in the Republic of Cyprus and not the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a Turkish Cypriot is much more political a choice and the benefits of doing so as a Turkish Cypriot have not changed much since before Republic of Cyprus EU entry or after it. I do not think there have been Turkish Cypriot pouring into the Republic of Cyprus to live from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus since EU accession myself"
....here is the crux.
By allowing Greek Cypriots a form of representation of self governance as a majority, the State, the Republic of Cyprus, frees itself from the bias of demographics that are overwhelming. Each National Assembly, one Turcophone and one Grecophone, will serve it's citizens as equals, each will have the responsibility to be credible as inclusive societies, respecting and recognisung the special needs of minorities amongst them. The State, as our sovereign representative, in this manner becomes stronger, better able to defend us in our external affairs, and our Individual Rights.
Land is the issue right now.
Forwhich I suggest the addition of enclaves, this time without shame, into our geography: Bizonal.
Politically, the solution has been staring at us in the face since 1960. Now that ENOSIS is won, with the introduction of the Euro a few days ago, we can say EOKA is no more. I hope the TMT will be no more as well, never forgotten, but a part of the past. Denktash and Makarios can be heros, because in the end they chose Cyprus first, and I believe they wanted the best for us. But it is up to us to look at the foundation, its original principals are strong. Thus, our modernisation, and the reform of the Constitution, from it's advent is the basis of any sustainable solution. My proposal is simple and easy to understand. One State, Two National Assemblies: Bicommunal.
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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Kosovo Canada and the Nation State
Cyprus has committed itself to a bi-communal bi-zonal federation. It implies that one or three governments will exist for the peoples' governance, (as bi-zonal implies each zone a sum of parts). The existence of a State, and two National Assemblies seems to be an inviting alternative to the idea that people must be divided along their ethnic lines, exclusively. Kosovars and the Serbs, even the Israelis and the Palestinians, can take a page from this consideration. Their citizens need Free Association, Expression and Movement, which can only be guaranteed when weighed by countervailing forces.
As global partners Mankind is moving to a forefront where equality among all people precludes the fight against real enemies, such as ignorance, famine, and disease. Needless to say that the idea of Nationalism has changed a great deal, from its roots as a political tool of Napoleon III. And it must evolve to be a force which continues as an adversarial regime, which unites people toward common cause, without any bias. Each "Nation", in all these cases (Canadians as well) represent their respect and recognition of other "Nations", unified in a State to sustain the principals all Humans cherish, having as a function, as one People, their betterment.
It seems that this idea is lost to these players, having at their roots a cause which continues its machination, the Cold War which seems dead, and the fight against Fascism which seems won. Futuristicly, these countries have the greatest opportunity to change the world, and the world, as far as people are concerned, will be changed regardless.
As global partners Mankind is moving to a forefront where equality among all people precludes the fight against real enemies, such as ignorance, famine, and disease. Needless to say that the idea of Nationalism has changed a great deal, from its roots as a political tool of Napoleon III. And it must evolve to be a force which continues as an adversarial regime, which unites people toward common cause, without any bias. Each "Nation", in all these cases (Canadians as well) represent their respect and recognition of other "Nations", unified in a State to sustain the principals all Humans cherish, having as a function, as one People, their betterment.
It seems that this idea is lost to these players, having at their roots a cause which continues its machination, the Cold War which seems dead, and the fight against Fascism which seems won. Futuristicly, these countries have the greatest opportunity to change the world, and the world, as far as people are concerned, will be changed regardless.
Monday, November 26, 2007
The president's meeting in Tseri
LOL!!!
as living things we can tear at eat other as though we are a deadly bacteria feeding on a host. and like lambs and/or lions we can sit together when our bellies are full, or when there is a fire that threatens us both. but beyond biology, theories, facts and truth there is Humanity. this power to reason, an obligation to choose, and to embrace the changes we can make, our acts come from learning, as a challenge to fear.
neither, which is desired, or which is feasible, are sustainable in this case, neither is correct. and if the Truth is found, based on Universal thinking, that which is clear and easy to understand, we will have agreement, and the settlement of the Problem based on principal which is uncompromised, a representation of us as Human Beings, working for our own betterment by bettering the condition of Mankind, will have the power to change the world, a greater Cyprus, if you will.
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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
as living things we can tear at eat other as though we are a deadly bacteria feeding on a host. and like lambs and/or lions we can sit together when our bellies are full, or when there is a fire that threatens us both. but beyond biology, theories, facts and truth there is Humanity. this power to reason, an obligation to choose, and to embrace the changes we can make, our acts come from learning, as a challenge to fear.
neither, which is desired, or which is feasible, are sustainable in this case, neither is correct. and if the Truth is found, based on Universal thinking, that which is clear and easy to understand, we will have agreement, and the settlement of the Problem based on principal which is uncompromised, a representation of us as Human Beings, working for our own betterment by bettering the condition of Mankind, will have the power to change the world, a greater Cyprus, if you will.
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Cyprus: three governments; one Capital, Free.
Wednesday, October 31, 2007
What Cyprus Needs is a Treaty between Greece and Turkey
Truly the question should be is Greece a threat to Turkey. They are adversaries because they are neighbours with borders without clear divides. They are adversaries because of the bloody past between them. And they are adversaries because at present each acts in a manner that excludes the other.
Remember the earthquakes?
In that grain of an event nothing more fundamental than the Human element was exposed. How different are they? And in dollars and cents their social-exchange would be most profitable. Think what prosperity can be promoted if these two counterparts allied. Toward the lesser States, a Free Trade Treaty like this commands their attention because of the margin of scale it can establish.
What about a Free Trade Agreement?
As a confidence building measure it has implications which would resound internationally, with Greece as a bulwark for democracy with its continued support for Turkey's membership into the EU, and for Turkey, greater credibility as a leader, able in world affairs.
Both Greece and Turkey need to change themselves to prepare for this new Age, which demands inclusivity. Their example will leave them as the dominant regional players with the ability to be it's representative. As an example further abroad, to their allies in France for example, much debate will be considered, even in their own internal affairs. As an atmosphere, negociations about the Cyprus Problem can focus on the needs of its island dwellers, rather than the issues that cloud the relations among Greeks and Turks.
your observations, please
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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.
Remember the earthquakes?
In that grain of an event nothing more fundamental than the Human element was exposed. How different are they? And in dollars and cents their social-exchange would be most profitable. Think what prosperity can be promoted if these two counterparts allied. Toward the lesser States, a Free Trade Treaty like this commands their attention because of the margin of scale it can establish.
What about a Free Trade Agreement?
As a confidence building measure it has implications which would resound internationally, with Greece as a bulwark for democracy with its continued support for Turkey's membership into the EU, and for Turkey, greater credibility as a leader, able in world affairs.
Both Greece and Turkey need to change themselves to prepare for this new Age, which demands inclusivity. Their example will leave them as the dominant regional players with the ability to be it's representative. As an example further abroad, to their allies in France for example, much debate will be considered, even in their own internal affairs. As an atmosphere, negociations about the Cyprus Problem can focus on the needs of its island dwellers, rather than the issues that cloud the relations among Greeks and Turks.
your observations, please
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Cyprus: three goverments, one Capital and Free.
Friday, July 06, 2007
Very Interesting Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Draft law? Read this article!
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=82971#82971
...is it opportunism or realism?
1.) In the Courts of England it is said that the Republic of Cyprus is sovereign over the whole island.
2.) Their identity with their possessions would not be any different to anyone else on this planet, therefore why not sell your land.
3.)After over thirty years, as a State, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has very little, as much credibility as it started with. Turkish Cypriots, may have a form of self-representation, yet they still remain subject to Turkey. In this state, they remain unfree, worse, they are demeaned by a demographic where they are marginalised, and a toponomy which assimilates them, dependant on the subsidy of this one State whose occupation of their land seems without end. Why not sell the land which remains yours? There is little chance that a "clear title" to the land given to you will be recognised by anyone else but the entity, and its Army, underwhich you must live.
Certainly, this reaction by the legislating body, is an admission that the land overwhich they have made a claim, founded on an illegal act, remains an occupation, that there is a compensation to be paid, and that a reciprocal act could occur, Greek Cypriots may choose to sell their land to Turkish Cypriots, if unoccupied, ignoring this Assembly's authority over its Titleship.
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.
...is it opportunism or realism?
1.) In the Courts of England it is said that the Republic of Cyprus is sovereign over the whole island.
2.) Their identity with their possessions would not be any different to anyone else on this planet, therefore why not sell your land.
3.)After over thirty years, as a State, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has very little, as much credibility as it started with. Turkish Cypriots, may have a form of self-representation, yet they still remain subject to Turkey. In this state, they remain unfree, worse, they are demeaned by a demographic where they are marginalised, and a toponomy which assimilates them, dependant on the subsidy of this one State whose occupation of their land seems without end. Why not sell the land which remains yours? There is little chance that a "clear title" to the land given to you will be recognised by anyone else but the entity, and its Army, underwhich you must live.
Certainly, this reaction by the legislating body, is an admission that the land overwhich they have made a claim, founded on an illegal act, remains an occupation, that there is a compensation to be paid, and that a reciprocal act could occur, Greek Cypriots may choose to sell their land to Turkish Cypriots, if unoccupied, ignoring this Assembly's authority over its Titleship.
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.
Thursday, April 12, 2007
the way forward/battling a mountain of prejudice.
Can you imagine a population of 12 million?
That is the future. Two hundred years from now where will we be; this is the thinking that we need.
Realisticly, we must look around us and see, firstly, what is normal, and then accept our sins, come out of this isolation, seek to become something better, which prepares us to be more inclusive, a dynamic part of a system which expands globally.
Whether Cyprus can be identifed as "Greek", and/or "Turkish", is not an issue which the world dwells on, rather it is an internal matter which we must resolve. Turkey, and its influence on our affairs is to be recognised. However, being a State, as great as it is, it cannot refuse to recognise the Republic of Cyprus if somehow its people choose to create a Constitution for their self representation, having with it the terms for the Turkish Army's disengagement, with an end to the occupation, hopefully an alliance which secures graeter stability for the region (and the world), as well as greater security for the Turkish State.
Cyprus is an island. It can be divided in many ways, but on it live Cypriots. To deny that is to ignore what Humanity is learning: we are all the same, no better than the trees or the ground we walk on.
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.
That is the future. Two hundred years from now where will we be; this is the thinking that we need.
Realisticly, we must look around us and see, firstly, what is normal, and then accept our sins, come out of this isolation, seek to become something better, which prepares us to be more inclusive, a dynamic part of a system which expands globally.
Whether Cyprus can be identifed as "Greek", and/or "Turkish", is not an issue which the world dwells on, rather it is an internal matter which we must resolve. Turkey, and its influence on our affairs is to be recognised. However, being a State, as great as it is, it cannot refuse to recognise the Republic of Cyprus if somehow its people choose to create a Constitution for their self representation, having with it the terms for the Turkish Army's disengagement, with an end to the occupation, hopefully an alliance which secures graeter stability for the region (and the world), as well as greater security for the Turkish State.
Cyprus is an island. It can be divided in many ways, but on it live Cypriots. To deny that is to ignore what Humanity is learning: we are all the same, no better than the trees or the ground we walk on.
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.
Friday, January 05, 2007
united cyprus platform took place in Istanbul...#76818
Cyprus bicommunal discussion and chat forum : united cyprus platform took place in Istanbul...#76818
1)...a new political party that runs a campaign for election on both sides of the green line could help if the issues it supports clearly are the concern of the electorate as people, rather than members of a cultural community.
2)...perhaps independant of government, an assembly of people for the reformation of the Constitution, of the Republic of Cyprus.
...having seperate assemblies for the reform of the Turkish Cypriot Constitution and the creation of a Greek Cypriot Constitution for the realisation of a Bi-Communal strategy toward our governance.
That is to say...
We shallseek a State to unify us, where we represent ourselves as a People, [the Republic of Cyprus, (which has English as its first language and three official languages)] inclusive and hegemonous, a member of the EU, and the Family of Man, equal as two, (or three, if you include the Maronites) founding peoples, unlike today, the electorate having two (or three) national identities representing them, each citizen equal as individuals, and equal in their vote.
As well as two (or three) National identities, having territory over which these people have sovereignty, with their form of government for the sustenance of each, respectful to the minorities amongst them, with their recognition, and the acceptance that, to serve includes peoples of other languages, with special needs, who are always fewer, so that all dwellers are equal in either homogenous mass.
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Three Governments; Bi-Communal...
Being Bi-Zonal, having many parts; in support of enclaves, cantons, like spots which cover the whole island, so that settlers can have homes(what they were promised), and many displaced may return to their homes, as communities (without destroying the fabric of the community which surrounds them).
... two ideas which I hope you will want to discuss.
1)...a new political party that runs a campaign for election on both sides of the green line could help if the issues it supports clearly are the concern of the electorate as people, rather than members of a cultural community.
2)...perhaps independant of government, an assembly of people for the reformation of the Constitution, of the Republic of Cyprus.
...having seperate assemblies for the reform of the Turkish Cypriot Constitution and the creation of a Greek Cypriot Constitution for the realisation of a Bi-Communal strategy toward our governance.
That is to say...
We shallseek a State to unify us, where we represent ourselves as a People, [the Republic of Cyprus, (which has English as its first language and three official languages)] inclusive and hegemonous, a member of the EU, and the Family of Man, equal as two, (or three, if you include the Maronites) founding peoples, unlike today, the electorate having two (or three) national identities representing them, each citizen equal as individuals, and equal in their vote.
As well as two (or three) National identities, having territory over which these people have sovereignty, with their form of government for the sustenance of each, respectful to the minorities amongst them, with their recognition, and the acceptance that, to serve includes peoples of other languages, with special needs, who are always fewer, so that all dwellers are equal in either homogenous mass.
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Three Governments; Bi-Communal...
Being Bi-Zonal, having many parts; in support of enclaves, cantons, like spots which cover the whole island, so that settlers can have homes(what they were promised), and many displaced may return to their homes, as communities (without destroying the fabric of the community which surrounds them).
... two ideas which I hope you will want to discuss.
Sunday, December 03, 2006
halloumi at NATO?
NATO would be well served with Cyprus as a member. The failure with Makarios was intricately linked to the geo-political activity of the moment...but times have changed.
In essence, I believe that the way forward for us, is the supermilitarisation of the island. To demilitarise, we must become an island that serves the interests of many, so that the interest of one, Turkey, is not merely diluted, but satisfied, its security assured.
That is the point of my musings with a Treaty of Defense, between the two adversaries, the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, without which their will be more costly and detrimental affects on both, and to Mankind in general.
Like the deer and the lion, they lay down together, when their bellies are full, or when there is fire. It is not hard to imagine that Turkey will find in Greece a people not unlike themselves. The will to better ourselves is universal, the world has become a very small place.
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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.
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